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RWarehall: Here's the Breitbart article covering it with links to the original story.
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/11/16/it-turns-out-there-is-a-gender-pay-gap-at-gawker/

Frankly, I don't give it much weight. One person alleges they aren't being paid what they are worth does not prove a wage gap. I think anyone who has ever worked knows someone with an inflated opinion of their worth and capabilities.

And I don't think anyone here disagrees that there are workplaces around which discriminate. One of my co-workers once told me how he tried to get a job for his cousin who just immigrated to the States where he worked. It wasn't his English for which his cousin was denied; they wouldn't hire him because he didn't speak Spanish! Only in America!

The problem with this wave of feminists is they will lie, exaggerate and distort anything in their vain attempt to prove a non-existent point. While it's true there are managers who might discriminate, there is not a universal societal problem which makes women make 3/4 what men make. That is just utter bs. It's lying through "creative" use of statistics. And they use this to make the bat-shit crazy claim it proves there is a patriarchy...
True that. She might have an inflated ego. However, if it is true. It would be funny since Gawker pretends to be pro feminist.
https://archive.is/sc7Ts

Oh shit, kotaku really fucked up. Bethesda and Ubisoft cut them off completely. Of course Jason "Dragon's Crown is for pedophiles" Scheier insists it's because they "don't take part in the publisher's armed marketing", and not because they keep leaking NDAs and breaking embargos.

Here's some examples of their idiocy and blatant shilling.
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WBGhiro: https://archive.is/sc7Ts

Oh shit, kotaku really fucked up. Bethesda and Ubisoft cut them off completely. Of course Jason "Dragon's Dogma is for pedophiles" Scheier insists it's because they "don't take part in the publisher's armed marketing", and not because they keep leaking NDAs and breaking embargos.

Here's some examples of their idiocy and blatant shilling.
Or maybe the relationship between, journalist and publisher is really more complex than you could imagine, and that it comes with the business. Seriously why does everything have to be a conspiracy?
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ryannaughton1138: Or maybe the relationship between, journalist and publisher is really more complex than you could imagine, and that it comes with the business. Seriously why does everything have to be a conspiracy?
Publishers cutting the tap of some of their marketing department is not really a conspiracy.
Post edited November 20, 2015 by WBGhiro
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ryannaughton1138: Or maybe the relationship between, journalist and publisher is really more complex than you could imagine, and that it comes with the business. Seriously why does everything have to be a conspiracy?
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WBGhiro: Publishers cutting the tap of some of their marketing department is not really a conspiracy.
And of course Kotaku doubles down in idiocy y claiming what they do is right in stead of offering Bethesda and Ubi Soft an agreement in which they promise they will not leak their stuff if that is the cause of the issue. As if we realy needed leaked information of something that might not come to fruition or might change in the future. Let devs anounce their stuff when it is ready.

I get the feeling Ubi, which supported SJWs for a while, might start to get tired of them soon.

Oh, and also I wonder if you could elaborate on the "Dragon's Dogma is for pedophiles" part I don't fully know the context but honestly I don't want to look it up on the internet and give revenue to such losers.
Post edited November 20, 2015 by LeonardoCornejo
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Only UBISOFT?

They been asking recently for a female LINK, Nintendo bring it to them, during the last week it was of course CRITICIZED saying from WRONG to HEY I LIKE IT BUT... (The SJW way of saying... I am not racist BUT...)

The same thing for women in games, COD brings a woman as a character available in the single player, and now they are complaining about OH MY GOD THE ASIANS & THE BLACK GUYS...

For them is always something WRONG, and I repeat is so stupid that people like Sarkesian and Macintosh being strong pursuers, judging whole communities for PLAYING GAMES, for later said that they can UNDERSTAND that Charlie Hebdo was OFFENSIVE... so of course I agree, not every Muslim is the same, I said this in the name of my Islam friends, the funny thing is for them RELIGIONS need to be respected to the last point, even if Jesus Christ and GOD is always a MAN, and they are all represented AS WHITE, but hey! VIDEOGAMES...

And I repeat, religions caused more victims, misogyny, racism, inequality, fanaticism, and even social progress slow downs that ANY VIDEOGAME EVER... CHECK THE HISTORY AND THE NEWSPAPERS, FACTS not BULLSHIT like she introduced in the ONU recently... you supporters of this BS are destroying your supposed to be beloved hobby, pointing it as a source of problems, this as I said many times, happened because you grow up doing NOTHING RELEVANT with your lives, NOTHING, and there is nothing bad on this, I am the same, I work, I enjoy my life, I have friends, for me is enough, but HEY! you want to transform a LAZY HOBBY in a tool to CHANGE THE WORLD! comfortable sit down in your houses, with your POWERFUL SMARTPHONES, Tweeting... LOL ... Because you want to be part of the "history" , Postpostpost modernism at it's most RIDICULOUS. Of course no one of you have the BALLs Charlie Hebdo has to draw a Mohammed in your avatar... because videogames, the ass of Manara's Spiderwoman or a Scientist with a Pinup Tshirt are easy targets, but other cultural stronger patriarchal ideas are too much for you, like religions...

And Feminist Freq is capable of defend these religions, meanwhile blame you guys and girls, and blame publishers for the allmighty WHITE MEN society...

But Hey! Jesus Christ, do not touch it... I bet both of them are even CHRISTIANS

Is just PLAIN AWESOME, that supposed to be smart people you even dare to follow people with this huge contradictions and different measure bars depending on the target, or you are really philosophically and politically UNINFORMED , or victims of a trendy propaganda, or BOTH.

There is no conspiracy by the way to see that after the Shitstorm, deserved, that Macintosh words received during CHARLIE HEBDO events for his words, Sarkesian or him almost talk nothing these days about PARIS ATTACKS, to not demonstrate people how different is their measure bar in one side, and not get a shitstorm in the other, meanwhile around 7 or 8 tweets selling T-SHIRTS tell us the real intentions their project had from the very beginning.
Post edited November 20, 2015 by YaTEdiGo
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ryannaughton1138: Or maybe the relationship between, journalist and publisher is really more complex than you could imagine, and that it comes with the business. Seriously why does everything have to be a conspiracy?
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WBGhiro: Publishers cutting the tap of some of their marketing department is not really a conspiracy.
Kotaku isn't part of anyone's marketing department. They cover games that come out. And regarding that tweet about objectivity, the guy is right. Covering arts and entertainment is all about subjectivity.
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WBGhiro: Publishers cutting the tap of some of their marketing department is not really a conspiracy.
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ryannaughton1138: Kotaku isn't part of anyone's marketing department. They cover games that come out. And regarding that tweet about objectivity, the guy is right. Covering arts and entertainment is all about subjectivity.
First off, its you who doesn't understand the meaning of troll. A troll is someone who is taking part in a thread just to cause trouble. So far, that seems to be you...a troll is as a troll does. We bring up actual points which you continue to ignore while going on to your next attack.

We have shown how stupid it is to quote the women make 77 cents for every dollar a male does statistic. It's completely misleading. So one has to be either completely naive, stupid, uninformed or intentionally misleading, manipulative, deceiving. Which one are you Ryan?

As to objectivity vs. subjectivity. This point has already been discussed ad nauseum. But its been already established that much of any videogame review is based on objective facts and that dishonest reviewers making factual errors (seemingly on purpose to promote their cause) don't get to use subjectivity as an excuse or a cover for their "mistakes". When 75% of a review is about the lack of diversity of a game and it gets downrated as a result, that is failing to be objective. When a reviewer spends most of a review trying to portray a game as utterly sexist, that also fails to be objective. When a reviewer spends the whole review talking about what a great concept a game has and what great people the designers are yet overlooks very obvious flaws in the game such as game length, lack of replayability, poor optimization and inconsistent frame rates or outdated save systems, they are failing to be objective in their review. It's pretty obvious when a reviewer has an axe to grind or a friend to promote and are trying to use their review as a weapon or a favor. Using "subjectivity" as a defense does not cut it.
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ryannaughton1138: Kotaku isn't part of anyone's marketing department. They cover games that come out. And regarding that tweet about objectivity, the guy is right. Covering arts and entertainment is all about subjectivity.
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RWarehall: We have shown how stupid it is to quote the women make 77 cents for every dollar a male does statistic. It's completely misleading. So one has to be either completely naive, stupid, uninformed or intentionally misleading, manipulative, deceiving. Which one are you Ryan?
I'm none of those. I'm just someone who walks around the outside world and sees that things didn't go to hell in hand basket for people listening to feminist critics. Also if someone does dedicate 75% of there review to the lack of diversity in a product than that's just there opinion. Every critic's point of view inevitably comes out in there review. I've read reviews by people who are on the same political spectrum as each other come away with wildly different opinions on the politics of a work of art. That's just life. That's part of reviewing art.
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ryannaughton1138: I'm none of those. I'm just someone who walks around the outside world and sees that things didn't go to hell in hand basket for people listening to feminist critics. Also if someone does dedicate 75% of there review to the lack of diversity in a product than that's just there opinion. Every critic's point of view inevitably comes out in there review. I've read reviews by people who are on the same political spectrum as each other come away with wildly different opinions on the politics of a work of art. That's just life. That's part of reviewing art.
Leigh Alexander doesn't seem to doing so well after Gamasutra

diversity: aah diversity basically the reason for the "Gamers have to die" articles. it was shown that gamers didn't need to be represented in games & that greatly bothered Social Justice Warriors & the "Journalists" that catered to them

Games as art: while I do considder games to be art, it's an artform that is unique in that while it can be a visual experience it can often be more akin to storytelling (I'm referring to dynamic story telling where the audience participates) so critiquing games passively (like a painting or a movie) IMHO belittles the medium. the whole point of games is enjoyment & enjoyment/fun is killed if you over-analyze
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RWarehall: We have shown how stupid it is to quote the women make 77 cents for every dollar a male does statistic. It's completely misleading. So one has to be either completely naive, stupid, uninformed or intentionally misleading, manipulative, deceiving. Which one are you Ryan?
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ryannaughton1138: I'm none of those. I'm just someone who walks around the outside world and sees that things didn't go to hell in hand basket for people listening to feminist critics. Also if someone does dedicate 75% of there review to the lack of diversity in a product than that's just there opinion. Every critic's point of view inevitably comes out in there review. I've read reviews by people who are on the same political spectrum as each other come away with wildly different opinions on the politics of a work of art. That's just life. That's part of reviewing art.
Well the fact you are promoting this exaggerated wage gap means you are, in fact naive and stupid then. As to reviews, your example is a crappy review and a reviewer who should be fired. A reviewer is not supposed to push their own agenda. A reviewer is supposed to check their own personal biases at the door and, if they feel they cannot, disclose them to the reader. A review is meant to give the reader (or listener) and honest opinion of the quality of a given work so that reader can judge it for themselves. The fact that you seem to find "every opinion from social justice warriors" acceptable but those of people you dislike such as "Gamergate" pretty much makes you a hypocrite.

And no, that is not "part of reviewing art". Lying about a videogame with the intent to turn off readers, is not an acceptable review. Claiming games are misogynistic based on false information, makes that reviewer a deceiver. And you supporting all these whack jobs pretty much puts you in the same boat...
The former Evolved community manager, Josh Olin shared his side of the story.

The short story is he got fired for saying a variation of the first amendment, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

Problem is freedom of speech only protect him from Government persecution, the general public and private institutions can do whatever the they want provided it doesn't break the law. Moral and Ethics is not required. A business institution can fire an employee if said employee action may harm the company business.

I had been in a conflicting mind what to blame for this issue. Josh for bring up a variation of the First Amendment? The company for wanting to protecting their business? The masses for exercising their right of the First Amendment saying what they think?

Or there's nothing to blame at all, as the current law works for most people and is the best people can do to come to an equilibrium, changing that will trample the rights of the majority of people and companies. One or two sacrifices have to be made for the good of the majority?
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Gnostic: The former Evolved community manager, Josh Olin shared his side of the story.

The short story is he got fired for saying a variation of the first amendment, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

Problem is freedom of speech only protect him from Government persecution, the general public and private institutions can do whatever the they want provided it doesn't break the law. Moral and Ethics is not required. A business institution can fire an employee if said employee action may harm the company business.

I had been in a conflicting mind what to blame for this issue. Josh for bring up a variation of the First Amendment? The company for wanting to protecting their business? The masses for exercising their right of the First Amendment saying what they think?

Or there's nothing to blame at all, as the current law works for most people and is the best people can do to come to an equilibrium, changing that will trample the rights of the majority of people and companies. One or two sacrifices have to be made for the good of the majority?
Leigh Alexander threatened a developer on Twitter saying she was a MEGAPHONE and she would make him not get any job. These are the people that defend, 3rd generation " equalism", this is the example of "social justice", you guys think they deserve to be listened?
Post edited November 20, 2015 by YaTEdiGo
Personally, I think the company overreacted. Not sure how much I blame the company because I wouldn't be surprised if the "SJW brigade" jumped on the Tweet and made a big deal about it. The company tried to put out the fire and thought cutting off the infected limb might help; only to find the Tweet wasn't really as offensive as the "offended brigade" made it seem...

But at that point there was no turning back...
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LeonardoCornejo: I get the feeling Ubi, which supported SJWs for a while, might start to get tired of them soon.
Oh they did. Supposedly there are a number of small things in the latest AC that mock them.

And BTW, 2 publishers boycotting one of the largest gaming sites is not a conspiracy, it's a big middle finger to kotaku from them.

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LeonardoCornejo: Oh, and also I wonder if you could elaborate on the "Dragon's Dogma is for pedophiles" part I don't fully know the context but honestly I don't want to look it up on the internet and give revenue to such losers.
I'm going to make a guess and say you meant dragons CROWN, a game of which a kotaku writer basically said "devs should stop letting horny teenagers design their characters"