No I'm not. Journalism is not some cushy feelzy subject people who couldn't study anything else study. It as a professional course and has ethical standards like any other profession. The standard to which you hold journalists might be so low as you can ignore the ethical violations cited but your standards aren't up to what is considered proper by most other people or the SPJ. So when you say impartial; that is your view alone and you can't decide for others especially when none of us here are experts on the subject. So just because you don't mind reading hipsters shilling for eachother doesn't mean everyone else doesn't. So if DF's standards are too high for you, then just acknowledge it instead of claiming that all friendship citations are objectively impartial like you're some authority.

I think you do not understand the meaning of the word "impartial". Either that or you are intentionally being dense. I think at this point its pretty clear that many in this thread have shown ethical issues in game journalism as well as gross deficiencies in Anita's not very scientific methodology.

What do you have to offer to the thread except dismissal and naysaying?

A week ago in the wonderful land of gamergate journalist ethics, The Escapist publishes an article by "influential #gamergate defender", reaxxion interviewee and AVFM author Elisabeth Fogarty/Finnegan (and assorted other surnames) that questions the doability of the Star Citizen project. No problems with that. Well, one.

No one reads that article.

In the following week, for some reason half a dozen negative employer reviews pop up on glassdoor.com. Their voluminous anonymous accusations – including, but not limited to, clear cut racism – are worked into a new article of Fogarty's.

THAT brings author and website the desired reaction, including one from Chris Roberts himself (who can conclusively demonstrate the likelihood of an anonymous twitter account, which started to attack Roberts one day before the article was published, and which doxed his daughter, to belong to Fogarty).

The relationship between spontaneously metastasizing glassdoor reviews and surprisingly similar sounding accusations in the article is swiftly explained by Fogarty. These people have supposedly contacted her before they wrote the glassdoor stuff and her article was almost finished when these reviews went online.

I'd give you a link to the Escapist article in question, but the website has decided to insult its readers while taking the article down (yes, insult, wasn't there something gamergatey to do when readers get insulted?). The link now leads to let me google that for you and the results for "entitlement".

Ah, the entitlement to ethical journalism.

Meanwhile Fogarty, consoled by "actually neutral" neo-gamergater Derek Smart, takes to twitter (to the single non anonymous account of hers) to defend how there weren't any "accusations" in the article as it was interspersed with mentions of "allegedly".

That's your beautiful, your ethical future of high quality journalism! You made that bed, gentlemen and ladies.


Now let us collectively witness bigotry at work when Elisabeth Fogarty for some strange reason evades an entry on deepfreeze.it for "sensationalism".

And please note the Gamergate News Threads stalker-creep-pet-troll Sjw has returned and is up to its tired filthy old tricks again - talking trash, baiting anything and everyone for a few morsels of attention. Throws [Vainamoinen] some scooby snacks. "There's a good ... umm ... thing. Go and sit in your corner and try to behave and don't scare off the newbs".

And speaking of things gruesome the Stassi (no doubt a friend and ally of above mentioned creature) have returned to assist Ms. Merkel terminate any residual of free-speech and/or German dissenters on Facebook, with the eager assistance of Mr Zuckerberg and co.

And your evidence is what exactly?

I particularly like this quote of yours...
"conclusively demonstrate the likelihood of an anonymous twitter account"

I have a feeling you do not understand the meaning of the word "conclusive"...

Where are the links? I haven't heard of any of this stuff because I don't have the time to follow GG outside of this thread. Wasn't even aware that the person you're talking about and Lizzy were the same person at first. Definitely doesn't sound like her from my little experience with her tweets, but you never know, and ethical oversights go both ways. I assume you have proof?

You seem to be factually wrong on the article being taken down, at least. I'm reading it right now. Moreover, my Google-fu didn't turn up a single source claiming that it had ever been taken down. Even the rebuttal from the Star Citizen guy claims that she showed up in some guy's tweets who allegedly doxxed his family (rather than her being the one doing it, though he put in a "one retweets the other a lot, so maybe they're the same person!"), but all that seems to have been done is that the person posted archived links to IMDB and Facebook pages. Am I missing something huge here?

I'm tempted to go into pearl-clutching mode what with all of the people suddenly attacking Lizzy (remember, this very much qualifies as "cyber violence" by the standards of those who have labeled us as serial harassers), but that would admittedly be petty, and I really want to give you the benefit of the doubt here. If you have something, anything beyond dramatic assumptions and hearsay that demonstrates that she's acted improperly, I'd love to see it.

It was down was this morning (CET), or at the very least all former links went to the aforementioned lmgify, my word on it. They've changed their strategy in the meantime, but I don't really need to be convinced of MORE corruption, really.

Fogarty fails at any kind of journalist integrity here, BIG TIME, and I stand by the accusation that this is the brave new world of gamergate journalism. As to the accusation that she continues twitter terrorism anonymously, see Chris Roberts' reply. It's not easily refuted, as the account in question seems to have access to Fogarty 'meme rebuttal' pics available nowhere else on the net. It's her account and journalist ethics be damned.

I'm not about to go all ad hominem on the gal, but she's not a journalist in any sense of the word. She's a gamergate supporter.

There are no links because it's garbage

That's right! Because we're being trolled.

Oh please, please do NOT give this criminally minded two bit cyber-sociopath any benefits whatsoever.

Let me put it plain and simply. The troll Sjw [Vainamoinen] is dedicated to derailing this thread from any information that might help you gain a better understanding of your world - be G'gate related or otherwise.

That's why I post links. I point out stuff and hope it will get a few people thinking. Everytime there's any information pointed out that might be helpful to you that troll jumps in and tries to distract you.

Check this out
Nice, cool little article sighting the difference between "women in tech" and women making tech.

and this
the Stasi have returned to assist Ms. Merkel terminate any residual of free-speech and/or German dissenters on Facebook

and this
With the eager assistance of Mr Zuckerberg and co.

Don't waste your time arguing with the worst of the trolls. Please.




And I'll add the lying trolls above post here so it can't change it later as it has done so often in the past. Maybe someone could start archiving its rubbish so it can be called out when it will no doubt claim I changed the quotes when it gets caught altering its posts to suit its next pack of lies and trash.

Yup. THAT's abusive.

Don't worry, noncompliantgame! No one among the gater crowd will attack YOU for clear cut harassment. Bro code or something.

I know gamergaters need people for the most elementary of google actions, but this is getting a bit ridiculous. Proving that Finnegan and Fogarty are the same person, errr... really... that's laughably easy.

Elizabeth "Fogarty" interview: http://www.reaxxion.com/4352/interview-with-the-influential-gamergate-defender-lizzyf620

Elizabeth "Finnegan" at the Escapist: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/profiles/articles/Lizzy+Finnegan

Elizabeth "O'GingerMcIrish" twitter: https://twitter.com/lizzyf620

Oooohhh would you look at those pretty pictures.

And, just for the fun of it, here's Roberts' reply.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14979-Chairmans-Response-To-The-Escapist

We can see quite, quite clearly what Fogarty thinks of as "journalist ethics".

Same old tricks. Accusing others of what they're doing.

The Sjw cries "HARASSMENT!" as she's doxxing you.

One more question: were you trying to access the site directly, or following someone's link? Like a hyperlink that could look like one link but actually be another? Like this: https://www.google.com/

Just covering all the bases before taking your word for it. If you were accessing it directly, then I'll assume you're telling the truth and I just didn't look hard enough for evidence of it being replaced. You should really make archive links of things like that when you see them, though.

Went through that person's pictures and the only one I noticed was the "that means semen" one. Again, we need links, here. Twitter pictures come with dates and images are fairly easily searchable, so it should be simple enough to verify this if true.

That kind of finger-pointing and name-calling doesn't do anyone any favors. It just makes us look as bad as our loudest, most extreme dissenters who aren't willing to tolerate any disagreement. Yes, Vaina and I aren't likely to agree on much, but I still like them and would hate to reduce them to some shallow caricature in order to vilify them and justify ignoring their input.

I had much trouble understanding your post. Here is my grip of the facts after 10 mins on KiA and 5 on your post :
-Lizzy wrote the series of articles sourcing anonymous ex-employees of SC project dev team.
-The article itself quoted only quotes from the verified ex-devs but had a general one-sidedness because SC project devs weren't contacted for their side on the allegations.
-After this interview; the ex-employees (not employers) went on to review the working conditions at a site called glassdoor where they made similar allegations as in Lizzy's article.
-The 2nd article evoked a response; and the lead dev and his family was doxxed allegedly from the allegations levelled by the articles and the glassdoor reviews.
-This caused controversy.

Now onto to tin foil from you :

-Lizzy has a twitter account that he used to harass Chris Roberts, the leader of the SC project / dev team.
-He can prove the accounts that doxxed him are owned by Lizzy but you don't link proof
-Lizzy has only one non anon account because she is a GGer and uses them to harass people

So Lizzy wrote a series of semi one-sided articles and it led to someone getting doxxed so it must beLlizzy doxxing them.
Who were the conspiracy theorists again?

All right, all right. Updated the post above. There's no doubt as to the identity of the person as interviewed on the rapist's website, the twitter discussing her actions and the employee at the Escapist (there actually was a good bit of gamergate victory cry when she was hired). As to what Roberts, for good reason, believes to be her anonymous trolling twitter account, as I said: I find his arguments fairly convincing.

You will understand that I have no intent to respond to the instant misrepresentation of what I said that some other members here are instantly fabricating.

I copied one direkt link yesterday into donotlink.com to post it on a forum. When I tested it this morning it linked to 'let me google that for you' as described above. To confirm, I tested the same link that was embedded in an article on a major German gaming website. It led to the same lmgtfy.

Both of my sample links lead to the correct source again right now.

I am looking for confirmation of this little trollery from this morning and admit, I have trouble finding any. But_it_was_there.


After re-checking everything right now, it seems that you are correct. The dn-link from yesterday actually still leads to lmgtfy.

Yeah, there was. I remember that. I'm not challenging that she goes by many different names, because that seems proven. Inconsequential, but definitely backed up with evidence.

I just figured out what happened; apparently all Escapist posts do that when you put them through donotlink. I just tried it on a completely unrelated article and it did the same thing. Easy to assume the two were related, but it's apparently just something unrelated that they've built into the website.