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HiPhish: Source:
http://www.macrumors.com/2015/06/25/apple-removes-civil-war-games-confederate-flag/

This is just disgusting. Instead of raising the bar by educating people about the true meaning of the flag and the backgrounds of the war the lies are just being cemented deeper and deeper.
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walpurgis8199: The cynic in me thinks that the politicians are talking about getting rid of a flag so they don't have to talk about gun control. The NRA is a very powerful group in the US.
I would not be surprised if you were right. Governments prefer to shut people up with half assed solutions rather than talking about the real issues.
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walpurgis8199: The cynic in me thinks that the politicians are talking about getting rid of a flag so they don't have to talk about gun control. The NRA is a very powerful group in the US.
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LeonardoCornejo: I would not be surprised if you were right. Governments prefer to shut people up with half assed solutions rather than talking about the real issues.
That would require actual character.
Anyone else see the Nazis from the Indiana Jones Crystal Skulls move here?: https://archive.is/UdkJQ

Or lookie here : http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3b3bvp/megathread_censorship_in_the_wake_of_the/
Post edited June 26, 2015 by Shadowstalker16
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Shadowstalker16: Anyone else see the Nazis from the Indiana Jones Crystal Skulls move here?: https://archive.is/UdkJQ

Or lookie here : http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3b3bvp/megathread_censorship_in_the_wake_of_the/
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
How much of the world have you learned about by playing computer games? For me it's quite a lot
This type of censorship is highly counterproductive...
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Shadowstalker16: Anyone else see the Nazis from the Indiana Jones Crystal Skulls move here?: https://archive.is/UdkJQ

Or lookie here : http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3b3bvp/megathread_censorship_in_the_wake_of_the/
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Fever_Discordia: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
How much of the world have you learned about by playing computer games? For me it's quite a lot
This type of censorship is highly counterproductive...
Me as well. Playing Age of Empires 2 is what got me into medieval history. Now I know more than most 10th grade history teachers about particular time periods; and I still wanna learn more.
But there are people celebrating this censorship; even though both Confederate and Union had running slave systems then and the Union still had it after winning. I get the feeling some dumbfucks knowledge of the American Civil War is based only off Night at the Museum 1 where Larry says something like ''Sorry south, you had to go; slavery is bad'' to the Confederate soldier exhibits fighting the Union soldier exhibits.
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Fever_Discordia: Wut? I'm not sure where you get that from, I don't think I've heard of a single case of a woman raping a man in all my years on the planet, I'm not sure it was even really physically possible until Viagra was invented...
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LeonardoCornejo: A close friend of mine worked as a volunteer helping rape victims, at least half of them were male, and at least half of th rape victims in general (Both male and female) were raped by females.
Well that's... surprising
I try not to loose sight of a basic motivation that life is short and I want as many people to enjoy their limited time as much as possible.
I would therefore take the, I guess if you wanted to put a label on it, 'sex positive' stance that no-one should have to suffer negative sexual experiences (well you know, ones that involve force and coercion, I've not advocating a 'performance police' protecting against ones that are merely disappointing :D) and the best way there is open and frank discussion whether that conveniently fits with some feminist narrative and agenda or not
While, over on the male side, boys and men should be encouraged and told it's OK to come forward to talk about their negative experience and not be shamed by their peers for doing so...
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Fever_Discordia: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
How much of the world have you learned about by playing computer games? For me it's quite a lot
This type of censorship is highly counterproductive...
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Shadowstalker16: Me as well. Playing Age of Empires 2 is what got me into medieval history. Now I know more than most 10th grade history teachers about particular time periods; and I still wanna learn more.
But there are people celebrating this censorship; even though both Confederate and Union had running slave systems then and the Union still had it after winning. I get the feeling some dumbfucks knowledge of the American Civil War is based only off Night at the Museum 1 where Larry says something like ''Sorry south, you had to go; slavery is bad'' to the Confederate soldier exhibits fighting the Union soldier exhibits.
But, in that context, it doesn't actually matter if the rebel flag was, historically a 'pro-slavery' flag if it has become a symbol of white supremacy today - I mean a lot of those 'dumbfucks' are going to be on the white supremacy side and the states don't want to give the impression that they somehow endorse them...

I'm defiantly in favor of removing the confederate rebel flag from current state flags because the current flags states who you are and what you are about today, I'm heavily against whitewashing history though, I would be against any attempts to hide the fact that the confederate flag was a part of those state flags that change it until 2015, for example

But yeah, in answer to the others, gun control is clearly a bigger issue than sybology and heraldry too...
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Fever_Discordia: While, over on the male side, boys and men should be encouraged and told it's OK to come forward to talk about their negative experience and not be shamed by their peers for doing so...
+1

As I've told before, I had such experiences and was shamed and ridiculed (even by my mother and ex-gf) just like all the other guys that made the mistake to talk about it which was usually 30-40 years later and I guess most don't do this at all.
Well, I guess many WRAs would prefer men rather to commit suicide than destroying the gender binary victim/perpetrator order. Good work, three to four times as many men than women already do so as can be seen in various suicide statistics throughout Europe and the UK.

In the end it doesn't matter if there are more male rapists or if it's just a theory, because the victim shaming and non-believing is creating perpetrators out of victims for sure, leading to a bigger threat than if all people regardless of gender would be allowed to treat their mental problems in a more constructive way than just changing sides which is by far not as unusual as we'd want it to be.

Anyway, is the journo corruption topic through now since deepfreeze is gathering all the data anyway?
Maybe we could let this thread die as long as it's civil which is always only the case in a really short time frame.
Post edited June 26, 2015 by Klumpen0815
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Shadowstalker16: Me as well. Playing Age of Empires 2 is what got me into medieval history. Now I know more than most 10th grade history teachers about particular time periods; and I still wanna learn more.
But there are people celebrating this censorship; even though both Confederate and Union had running slave systems then and the Union still had it after winning. I get the feeling some dumbfucks knowledge of the American Civil War is based only off Night at the Museum 1 where Larry says something like ''Sorry south, you had to go; slavery is bad'' to the Confederate soldier exhibits fighting the Union soldier exhibits.
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Fever_Discordia: But, in that context, it doesn't actually matter if the rebel flag was, historically a 'pro-slavery' flag if it has become a symbol of white supremacy today - I mean a lot of those 'dumbfucks' are going to be on the white supremacy side and the states don't want to give the impression that they somehow endorse them...

I'm defiantly in favor of removing the confederate rebel flag from current state flags because the current flags states who you are and what you are about today, I'm heavily against whitewashing history though, I would be against any attempts to hide the fact that the confederate flag was a part of those state flags that change it until 2015, for example

But yeah, in answer to the others, gun control is clearly a bigger issue than sybology and heraldry too...
Only the Sith deal in absolutes, bro.
http://www.kotaku.co.uk/2015/06/17/blizzard-is-releasing-prologue-missions-to-an-expansion-of-a-sequel

Kotaku providing some high quality writing. They actually released an article, which states that Zeratul first appears in Heroes of the Storm. Seriously a two second internet search would have proven that wrong. Are these articles not checked before being released?
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Fever_Discordia: If you guys are going to post random 'hyper-tolerance' pieces, not directly related to GG, from obviously biased sources I'll post random articles criticising the other side:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/06/conservative-christians-take-down-the-fascist-anti-christian-gay-pride-flag/

'Gay Reich' and 'Big Gay' WT actual F?
I LOLed though...
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Shadowstalker16: You still seem to willfully or otherwise ignore the motives of gamergate. Everyone here has accepted that you are debating because you want better ''minority'' representation and like stuff in gaming. It is acknowledged. Criticisms we posted are related gamergate because the group criticizing gamergate is social justice, and social justice activities are being observed in many fields.
What you are doing is CREATING a connection that does not exist between gamergate and religious extremist groups; either to make other people feel GG as less credible; or to make yourself more convinced you're on the right side because you somehow believe conservative Christianity is related gamergate.

The point is; would an SJW shown a game with mature themes want to censor it? Or in the very least mis-represent its content to gain moral highh-ground? YES

Will a gater or proGG person shown gay marriage oppose it? Most likely not. I know I don't; and I know most people on the internet or alive today who has / had access to a good teacher don't / won't. And it seems even then, these social justice types wanna brand someone as placetaghere and then do nothing.

Anyhow; since we're on the topic; do YOU believe in ''micro aggressions'' and ''rape CULTure'' and ''patriarchy''?
You'll never get a straight answer from that one. Just endless self-contradictory waffle. But hey, good luck trying to debate with zealots.
But still; people always say GG vs aGG is right vs left. I've seen it in this thread; and if I recall; one of Roosh's cronies said it as well. The point being gamergate doesn't have any political affiliation; and has a diverse range of political opinions in it.
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Shadowstalker16: You still seem to willfully or otherwise ignore the motives of gamergate. Everyone here has accepted that you are debating because you want better ''minority'' representation and like stuff in gaming. It is acknowledged. Criticisms we posted are related gamergate because the group criticizing gamergate is social justice, and social justice activities are being observed in many fields.
What you are doing is CREATING a connection that does not exist between gamergate and religious extremist groups; either to make other people feel GG as less credible; or to make yourself more convinced you're on the right side because you somehow believe conservative Christianity is related gamergate.

The point is; would an SJW shown a game with mature themes want to censor it? Or in the very least mis-represent its content to gain moral highh-ground? YES

Will a gater or proGG person shown gay marriage oppose it? Most likely not. I know I don't; and I know most people on the internet or alive today who has / had access to a good teacher don't / won't. And it seems even then, these social justice types wanna brand someone as placetaghere and then do nothing.

Anyhow; since we're on the topic; do YOU believe in ''micro aggressions'' and ''rape CULTure'' and ''patriarchy''?
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noncompliantgame: You'll never get a straight answer from that one. Just endless self-contradictory waffle. But hey, good luck trying to debate with zealots.
What was unstraight about the answer I provided?
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Fever_Discordia: But, in that context, it doesn't actually matter if the rebel flag was, historically a 'pro-slavery' flag if it has become a symbol of white supremacy today - I mean a lot of those 'dumbfucks' are going to be on the white supremacy side and the states don't want to give the impression that they somehow endorse them...

I'm defiantly in favor of removing the confederate rebel flag from current state flags because the current flags states who you are and what you are about today, I'm heavily against whitewashing history though, I would be against any attempts to hide the fact that the confederate flag was a part of those state flags that change it until 2015, for example

But yeah, in answer to the others, gun control is clearly a bigger issue than sybology and heraldry too...
The problem is this...those who want the flag removed are the one's claiming it supports white supremacy. This is very similar to how Gamergate is claimed to be a symbol for harassment by those opposed to it. Of course those who want it removed are going to make such over-arching claims.

And sadly, it seems you've let yourself be sucked in by all the anti-confederate flag propaganda...

And seriously, why the heck is someone from the UK so "defiantly in favor of removing the confederate rebel flag"?
What do you really even know about it besides what you've read in the media? Have you traveled to the Southern United States? Interacted with people there?

And let me go further...I live in the Northern United States. Frankly, I don't believe its any of my business whether some southern States use the flag or not. It's the decision of the people of that state. Let them decide.

Otherwise you have people claim that violent video games are a symbol for school shootings as an excuse to have them removed. Note how they have only become a symbol to some because those who wish them to go away have linked them as such...
Post edited June 26, 2015 by RWarehall
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Fever_Discordia: But, in that context, it doesn't actually matter if the rebel flag was, historically a 'pro-slavery' flag if it has become a symbol of white supremacy today - I mean a lot of those 'dumbfucks' are going to be on the white supremacy side and the states don't want to give the impression that they somehow endorse them...

I'm defiantly in favor of removing the confederate rebel flag from current state flags because the current flags states who you are and what you are about today, I'm heavily against whitewashing history though, I would be against any attempts to hide the fact that the confederate flag was a part of those state flags that change it until 2015, for example

But yeah, in answer to the others, gun control is clearly a bigger issue than sybology and heraldry too...
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RWarehall: The problem is this...those who want the flag removed are the one's claiming it supports white supremacy. This is very similar to how Gamergate is claimed to be a symbol for harassment by those opposed to it. Of course those who want it removed are going to make such over-arching claims.

And sadly, it seems you've let yourself be sucked in by all the anti-confederate flag propaganda...

And seriously, why the heck is someone from the UK so "defiantly in favor of removing the confederate rebel flag"?
What do you really even know about it besides what you've read in the media? Have you traveled to the Southern United States? Interacted with people there?
No, no I haven't and I'm sure that there's plenty of people there for who it is part of their national / state identity who are nice, friendly, open minded unbigoted types
But still, it seems a bit anachronistic to have the confederate flag be part of the state flags, I mean the civil war ended over 100 years ago and the south lost, Isn't it time to get over it already and move forward as one, united America?
Again I'm only saying that I was initially supportive of those (2, I think) states that have the confederate flag as part of the state flag re-brand in the name of progress, reconciliation and equality - help the south put it's slave owning past behind it!
I am NOT in favour of any angry mobs out there tearing down and outlawing the confederate flag in a state of zealous rage, it's NOT the swastika emblazoned flag of the 3rd reich, calm down, I don't even want to see it gone from the General Lee to be honest
And, yeah, before you say it, sure you might as well take the damn Union Jack off the Hawaiian flag while you're at it because the British Empire did far more slave owning and exploitation of people from non-white ethnicities than the south ever did!

Also I was thinking, even more than the symbology of white supremacy, even more than controlling the guns they use as weapons, the REAL issue here is the social-economic factors that are leading so many young white people to scapegoat black people and feel the need to 'strike a blow for the white race' or whatever because content, happy people don't go around playing the blame game - they have no reason to!