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LeonardoCornejo: The problem is not that, but the fact that Reddit still alows much worse places to exist.
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Kempeth: True, they should ban all those pits. But that does not invalidate their choice to start somewhere. "But other places are worse" is the excuse of a 5 year old.
And "ban everything that could possibly offend me" is the logic of a five year old. Or a facist. Which are you?
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LeonardoCornejo: My actual beef with Gone Home is the way the press and award organizers have treated the game just because there are homosexuals in the story. They give it too much praise, possibly more than deserved, just because it is "progressive". Imagine if the main story was not about a homosexual relationship but about a heterosexal one, it would be panned by "critics" and win only awards fro bad games.
That kind of glosses over some of the other reasons, though. Like how the person who reviewed it for Polygon is actually friends with at least one of the people involved in the creation of the game (and this is undisclosed, naturally).
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Arinielle: Been trying to keep up with this...this is crazy. I've rarely ever used Reddit other than to look at cute animals ( no, I'm not joking >.>; ). I try not to get too much into Kotaku In Action but I don't even bother to log in for it.

I don't like more places removing all these places. Not because I use any of 'em but because I think they still have a right to exist ( my personal feelings on why I like and don't like them not to be included in this ).
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Kempeth: Well is guess they do have a right to exist. But they don't have a right to spout their hatred wherever they want. I'm all in favor of reddit banning such places from their domain. IMO any civilized service should do so. If people want to practice their hurtful and sick behavior they can do so in their own places.
Well, I kinda disagree. They can exist and the good people of the world will naturally keep out of it. Anyone already invested into that subreddit are beyond hating. They WILL NOT stop just because they cut off a portion of their opinions from the internet. It all depends on how much you trust people to do the right thing. The KKK still exists and has a right to exist but good people naturally keep out of it. So I'm for allowing anything to exist and let the people decide where their opinions lie rather than enforcing a subjective moral code that ties hate-filled exclusionary maniacs with normal decent people.
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Shadowstalker16: ... They WILL NOT stop just because they cut off a portion of their opinions from the internet. It all depends on how much you trust people to do the right thing. The KKK still exists and has a right to exist but good people naturally keep out of it. So I'm for allowing anything to exist and let the people decide where their opinions lie rather than enforcing a subjective moral code that ties hate-filled exclusionary maniacs with normal decent people.
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Paraphrasing my favorite writer:
"Why it takes so many wise ones to silence just a few fools?"
"Because silencing others isn't in the arsenal of wise people. There is nothing wise in silencing others and by doing it wise person ceased to be wise. Fool should be heard rather than silenced. Silent fool is hard to recognize."

I know that anonymity of the internet somehow invalidates this statement, but this is the downside of the relative freedom of it. Most people can handle the occasional encounter with the idiotic hatred and i still believe they are numerous and kind enough to help those who can't.
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Shadowstalker16: ... They WILL NOT stop just because they cut off a portion of their opinions from the internet. It all depends on how much you trust people to do the right thing. The KKK still exists and has a right to exist but good people naturally keep out of it. So I'm for allowing anything to exist and let the people decide where their opinions lie rather than enforcing a subjective moral code that ties hate-filled exclusionary maniacs with normal decent people.
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Zabohad: Can not
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Paraphrasing my favorite writer:
"Why it takes so many wise ones to silence just a few fools?"
"Because silencing others isn't in the arsenal of wise people. There is nothing wise in silencing others and by doing it wise person ceased to be wise. Fool should be heard rather than silenced. Silent fool is hard to recognize."

I know that anonymity of the internet somehow invalidates this statement, but this is the downside of the relative freedom of it. Most people can handle the occasional encounter with the idiotic hatred and i still believe they are numerous and kind enough to help those who can't.
On the other hand though, there's the argument that maybe Reddit should be free to choose what it does and doesn't host on it's servers, I don't know if the offending sub-Reddit broken any sign-up Ts & Cs but it certainly sounds like the kind of thing that would break them...

I mean, this isn't a government going in and forcing Reddit to shut stuff down, this is Reddit exercising it's own right to control what it hosts, a bit like forum moderation on a bigger scale...
Kudos Zabohad! Which author is that from?

Also, this ain't bashing, but Kotaku's Steam curations are dumb and utterly useless, not to mention excellently funny. Choice quotes:

Skyrim- '' Obscure, but that's part of the charm. An underrated gem.''
Dishonored- ''Killer atmosphere. Blink spell. Probably the best stealth/action game since Deus Ex."
FC4-"F**king eagles."
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Zabohad: Can not
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Paraphrasing my favorite writer:
"Why it takes so many wise ones to silence just a few fools?"
"Because silencing others isn't in the arsenal of wise people. There is nothing wise in silencing others and by doing it wise person ceased to be wise. Fool should be heard rather than silenced. Silent fool is hard to recognize."

I know that anonymity of the internet somehow invalidates this statement, but this is the downside of the relative freedom of it. Most people can handle the occasional encounter with the idiotic hatred and i still believe they are numerous and kind enough to help those who can't.
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Fever_Discordia: On the other hand though, there's the argument that maybe Reddit should be free to choose what it does and doesn't host on it's servers, I don't know if the offending sub-Reddit broken any sign-up Ts & Cs but it certainly sounds like the kind of thing that would break them...

I mean, this isn't a government going in and forcing Reddit to shut stuff down, this is Reddit exercising it's own right to control what it hosts, a bit like forum moderation on a bigger scale...
It is, but if it claims to be a free speech forum, that is in clear violation of the meaning of the term.
Post edited June 12, 2015 by Shadowstalker16
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dragonbeast: So you know about the whole reddit deletes subreddit thing?
I'm sure the backlash against reddit's CEO Ellen Pao is just misogyinist shitlords trying to keep strong, independent womyn out of tech!

Haha, yeah right! This is like the Five Guys reddit censorship drama thing that ignited Gamergate all over again.
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dragonbeast: So you know about the whole reddit deletes subreddit thing?
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fronzelneekburm: I'm sure the backlash against reddit's CEO Ellen Pao is just misogyinist shitlords trying to keep strong, independent womyn out of tech!

Haha, yeah right! This is like the Five Guys reddit censorship drama thing that ignited Gamergate all over again.
haven't you heard? reddittors have started mass emailing reddits advertisers and KiA is getting mass numbers (yesterday they had more active users than ghazi subs and KiA's subs passed 40000 yesterday.) OOOH Boy. It's august 28 all over.
Post edited June 12, 2015 by dragonbeast
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fronzelneekburm: I'm sure the backlash against reddit's CEO Ellen Pao is just misogyinist shitlords trying to keep strong, independent womyn out of tech!

Haha, yeah right! This is like the Five Guys reddit censorship drama thing that ignited Gamergate all over again.
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dragonbeast: haven't you heard? reddittors have started mass emailing reddits advertisers and KiA is getting mass numbers (yesterday they had more active users than ghazi subs and KiA's subs passed 40000 yesterday.) OOOH Boy. It's august 28 all over.
Someone post the obligatory ''its happening''' gif !
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dragonbeast: haven't you heard? reddittors have started mass emailing reddits advertisers and KiA is getting mass numbers (yesterday they had more active users than ghazi subs and KiA's subs passed 40000 yesterday.) OOOH Boy. It's august 28 all over.
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Shadowstalker16: Someone post the obligatory ''its happening''' gif !
(twitter has been filled with those yesterday)
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Shadowstalker16: Kudos Zabohad! Which author is that from?

Also, this ain't bashing, but Kotaku's Steam curations are dumb and utterly useless, not to mention excellently funny. Choice quotes:

Skyrim- '' Obscure, but that's part of the charm. An underrated gem.''
Dishonored- ''Killer atmosphere. Blink spell. Probably the best stealth/action game since Deus Ex."
FC4-"F**king eagles."
Well thank you! :-)
Miroslav Horníček (1918-2003) was stage actor, comedian and occasional (play)writer and essayist with great sense of humor, and I don't believe any of his books was ever translated from Czech.
But his works was on similar note with Jerome Klapka Jerome in his non-sentimental moments or with Robert Fulghum: focused on the human beings as individuals with praise for their virtues and understanding with no contempt for the flaws.

And thanks for the quotes. I don't follow Kotaku.

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Fever_Discordia: On the other hand though, there's the argument that maybe Reddit should be free to choose what it does and doesn't host on it's servers, I don't know if the offending sub-Reddit broken any sign-up Ts & Cs but it certainly sounds like the kind of thing that would break them...

I mean, this isn't a government going in and forcing Reddit to shut stuff down, this is Reddit exercising it's own right to control what it hosts, a bit like forum moderation on a bigger scale...
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Shadowstalker16: It is, but if it claims to be a free speech forum, that is in clear violation of the meaning of the term.
And I agree with this argument completely, but I don't see it as the other hand, those are two different questions. Above I wrote why I see this approach to the problem as unwise (an I can write much more about it), but I never question their right to do it. Actually, terms of most digital services I know are in short "we can alter anything, anytime" so being too much morally outraged when they do is itsy-bitsy naive.
I don't use Reddit, so I don't know: was their identity build on the "free speech" as much as GOG's on "No DRM"? If so, this is grave violation of the mutual trust between parties and Reddit can hardly avoid the "just punishment" that follows: loss of any prestige or relevance and fall into obscurity, if not oblivion.

But the users have also legitimate pragmatic reason to be enraged (mentioned by Shadowstalker16): they probably lost all data from the board - names, dates, everything. And this flak on Reddit is deserved in any case because it could be prevented.
Corruption in games journalism since 2004 : http://deepfreeze.it/article.php?a=numbers
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Shadowstalker16: Kudos Zabohad! Which author is that from?

Also, this ain't bashing, but Kotaku's Steam curations are dumb and utterly useless, not to mention excellently funny. Choice quotes:

Skyrim- '' Obscure, but that's part of the charm. An underrated gem.''
Dishonored- ''Killer atmosphere. Blink spell. Probably the best stealth/action game since Deus Ex."
FC4-"F**king eagles."
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Fever_Discordia: On the other hand though, there's the argument that maybe Reddit should be free to choose what it does and doesn't host on it's servers, I don't know if the offending sub-Reddit broken any sign-up Ts & Cs but it certainly sounds like the kind of thing that would break them...

I mean, this isn't a government going in and forcing Reddit to shut stuff down, this is Reddit exercising it's own right to control what it hosts, a bit like forum moderation on a bigger scale...
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Shadowstalker16: It is, but if it claims to be a free speech forum, that is in clear violation of the meaning of the term.
>:(

Skyrim, obscure and under rated? Bro, do they even internet?
Post edited June 12, 2015 by CthuluIsSpy
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Shadowstalker16: Corruption in games journalism since 2004 : http://deepfreeze.it/article.php?a=numbers
Well that's better!
I STILL think it goes back at least as far as Nov '87 though!
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_gamergate_news_thread/post3113
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Shadowstalker16: Kudos Zabohad! Which author is that from?

Also, this ain't bashing, but Kotaku's Steam curations are dumb and utterly useless, not to mention excellently funny. Choice quotes:

Skyrim- '' Obscure, but that's part of the charm. An underrated gem.''
Dishonored- ''Killer atmosphere. Blink spell. Probably the best stealth/action game since Deus Ex."
FC4-"F**king eagles."

It is, but if it claims to be a free speech forum, that is in clear violation of the meaning of the term.
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CthuluIsSpy: >:(

Skyrim, obscure and under rated? Bro, do they even internet?
I think it's supposed to be ironic comedy...
Post edited June 12, 2015 by Fever_Discordia
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Shadowstalker16: Kudos Zabohad! Which author is that from?

Also, this ain't bashing, but Kotaku's Steam curations are dumb and utterly useless, not to mention excellently funny. Choice quotes:

Skyrim- '' Obscure, but that's part of the charm. An underrated gem.''
Dishonored- ''Killer atmosphere. Blink spell. Probably the best stealth/action game since Deus Ex."
FC4-"F**king eagles."

It is, but if it claims to be a free speech forum, that is in clear violation of the meaning of the term.
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CthuluIsSpy: >:(

Skyrim, obscure and under rated? Bro, do they even internet?
Indeed. DARK SOULS IS THE ONE TRUE LORD AND SAVIOR. PRAISE THE SUN!
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Shadowstalker16: Corruption in games journalism since 2004 : http://deepfreeze.it/article.php?a=numbers
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Fever_Discordia: Well that's better!
I STILL think it goes back at least as far as Nov '87 though!
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_gamergate_news_thread/post3113
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CthuluIsSpy: >:(

Skyrim, obscure and under rated? Bro, do they even internet?
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Fever_Discordia: I think it's supposed to be ironic comedy...
'87 is like the 40s. So historically shrouded nothing was normal lol.
Ironic comedy shouldn't be that consistent with uninformative curation quotes, IMO.
Post edited June 12, 2015 by Shadowstalker16