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Fever_Discordia: Still calling Indians 'paki' is NOT cool bro, even if you were doing it ironically...
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Shadowstalker16: I think that is regionalism. not racism as far as I know., still bad and limited though.
Yeah, it has some pretty dark associations over here though - skin heads, racial violence etc.
As I say it might be different when a Malaysian says it but, I guess, other people might then think it's an acceptable term and get themselves in trouble, best not go there IMO...
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Shadowstalker16: I think that is regionalism. not racism as far as I know., still bad and limited though.
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Fever_Discordia: Yeah, it has some pretty dark associations over here though - skin heads, racial violence etc.
As I say it might be different when a Malaysian says it but, I guess, other people might then think it's an acceptable term and get themselves in trouble, best not go there IMO...
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I'm all in for when the world finds out about whatever shady business is going on in ABC.
not exactly #gamergate but censorship and big enough happening.

So you know about the whole reddit deletes subreddit thing? Now they've started shooting hap hazardly without aiming. They deleted the subreddit /r/whalewatching which was a 2 year old board ABOUT ACTUALLY WATCHING WHALES (the oceanic mammels) talking about locations for whalewatching trips and critics of japans whale hunt etc.

This board was deleted as if it were a new fatpeoplehate.

It's official, they aren't trying anymore. This fuckup has caused the redditrevolt to kinda explode and currently (the gg link) KiA is having an enormous amount of active users, with some fearing KiA will be deleted, like Neogaf in action and neofag (although the Streisand this would cause is beyond what can be comprehended by mere mortals)
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dragonbeast: not exactly #gamergate but censorship and big enough happening.

So you know about the whole reddit deletes subreddit thing? Now they've started shooting hap hazardly without aiming. They deleted the subreddit /r/whalewatching which was a 2 year old board ABOUT ACTUALLY WATCHING WHALES (the oceanic mammels) talking about locations for whalewatching trips and critics of japans whale hunt etc.

This board was deleted as if it were a new fatpeoplehate.

It's official, they aren't trying anymore. This fuckup has caused the redditrevolt to kinda explode and currently (the gg link) KiA is having an enormous amount of active users, with some fearing KiA will be deleted, like Neogaf in action and neofag (although the Streisand this would cause is beyond what can be comprehended by mere mortals)
so... fatshaming is bad, but paedophilia and slutshaming is still okay on reddit? damn, orange morality always triggers me.
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dragonbeast: not exactly #gamergate but censorship and big enough happening.

So you know about the whole reddit deletes subreddit thing? Now they've started shooting hap hazardly without aiming. They deleted the subreddit /r/whalewatching which was a 2 year old board ABOUT ACTUALLY WATCHING WHALES (the oceanic mammels) talking about locations for whalewatching trips and critics of japans whale hunt etc.

This board was deleted as if it were a new fatpeoplehate.

It's official, they aren't trying anymore. This fuckup has caused the redditrevolt to kinda explode and currently (the gg link) KiA is having an enormous amount of active users, with some fearing KiA will be deleted, like Neogaf in action and neofag (although the Streisand this would cause is beyond what can be comprehended by mere mortals)
Anyone else have the sense of an impending explosion? Its just like what boogie said. The guys will spam clone subreddits and they'll have to delete them all. And others will move onto actually hating fat people on social media because their hate-rant area was closed down. All it did was generate approval from ''activists'' who don't even know how the internet works.

And as an environmentalist geek myself, deleting whalewatchers was criminal. Not only are the real issues being ignored because ABC can only report false rape claims, but even deleting the few who are concerned?? I wish the Sea Shepherds on them. Justice at the smell of strong vinegar should be their fate.
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Shadowstalker16: Chairman Pao has mutated Reddit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBmScggN-dc
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Arinielle: Been trying to keep up with this...this is crazy. I've rarely ever used Reddit other than to look at cute animals ( no, I'm not joking >.>; ). I try not to get too much into Kotaku In Action but I don't even bother to log in for it.

I don't like more places removing all these places. Not because I use any of 'em but because I think they still have a right to exist ( my personal feelings on why I like and don't like them not to be included in this ).
Well is guess they do have a right to exist. But they don't have a right to spout their hatred wherever they want. I'm all in favor of reddit banning such places from their domain. IMO any civilized service should do so. If people want to practice their hurtful and sick behavior they can do so in their own places.
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dragonbeast: So you know about the whole reddit deletes subreddit thing? Now they've started shooting hap hazardly without aiming. They deleted the subreddit /r/whalewatching which was a 2 year old board ABOUT ACTUALLY WATCHING WHALES (the oceanic mammels) talking about locations for whalewatching trips and critics of japans whale hunt etc.

This board was deleted as if it were a new fatpeoplehate.
I can ask this question in any other post about (un)acceptable terms so sorry that I bother just here, it's only the coincidence, but this bugs me for some time and it's at least tangentially related to the main topic:

Everybody, do you thing that this approach by itself - remove the word from acceptable vocabulary once it takes ANY bad connotation - is really the best way to react (because in this case, we could be forced to invent new "PC" name for those sea mammals soon)?

It doesn't prevent the actual haters from using words in the "bad" meaning but all the other people have to adapt their communication because of those haters. Meaning of the words change over time, so all the haters need to do is start using any neutral (or even flattering) word as a slur and it become to be a slur for everyone? We pretty much put the power over the language to their hands!
Somehow it resembles the DRM problem: usually only a small possible delay for pirates but sometimes lots of hassle for the paying customers.
When the word starts morphing into slur, wouldn't it be at least worth the try turn the tide and start using it even more in the positive context?

(I'm really NOT trolling, I am speaking from personal experience)
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babark: By who? Certainly not the consensus. I didn't think Gone Home was the best thing ever in the universe, but I enjoyed it enough while I was playing it.
I just recently finished playing Qora, which seems to fit what you are saying very well. It could conceivable be labelled a "non-game" or whatever people use to denigrate this type of stuff, and I actually loved it. It took me about 2 hours to complete, the didn't really have any serious "challenge" to speak of (unless you're an achievement or multiple endings completionist). The entire game consisted of pressing either the forward key, the up key or the down key, and occasionally tapping the spacebar for whatever contextual interaction was on screen- there was no possibility to miss a jump or hit the wrong thing or such.
And it was great! Great music, great art, involving and humourous story, and I certainly enjoyed it, and enjoyed it in a way I know I wouldn't enjoy if I was watching a movie. I may not have bought it at full price, but then again, I never buy a game at full price anyhow.
Is somehow it worth less because it doesn't focus so heavily on mechanics? Should I care that developers (allegedly) don't like those sort of games? Is it less deserving of praise or notice? Is my liking it somehow proof that I want to ban games not like it? Who wants to ban games not like it? Nobody I've ever read or seen has ever said "Gone Home/Depression Quest/Qora is great, other types of games shouldn't exist!".
As long as it is clearly communicated what sort of game a game is, none of this should be any issue at all. I SO much more prefer games like this rather than games that pretend to be "REAL" games but turn out to be boring linear button-mashing (supposedly requiring skill) inbetween pre-built kill animations moving from cutscene to cutscene (Metal Gear Rising Revengeance comes to mind).
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Shadowstalker16: The way I see it, gone home requires more patience in state of mind to play through. If the player is not in the right mindset; ie wanting to skip the story and get the gameplay, gone home will fail to impress the player. For someone to enjoy it, IMO, there needs to be certain conditions that must be satisfied. They shouldn't be looking for a complex mechanical puzzle like Dark Souls or the like. Enjoying it proves you can immerse yourself easier basically, or that you can feel immersed without needing too much gameplay, and the game's writing is enough to do that. So people who are really used to being mechanically and narratively immersed and require both factors to be immersed won't feel immersed. So no right or wrong; just taste with this one. Some people may have the opposite. They may not feel immersed in the Souls-like narrative style because the narrative element is mostly hidden and can only be found through exploration. So mechanically and narrative are basically two parts of the whole game; and most people have particular tastes into how much they want of each. So its subjective is what I'm sayin :D
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amok: well, if enjoying what I like to enjoy and let other people enjoy what they like to enjoy, makes me not a gamer, then I would more than happily say I am not a gamer. I will then just play the games I like to play, be it Psychonauts, Duke Nukem or Gone Home... but if this is the "common consesnsus", then please do not also say games should have "much more tolerant spaces", because what you are describing is the opposite of this - intolerance towards things you do not like.

So I guess this gamer is dead, long live doing what I like and playing what I find fun :)
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Shadowstalker16: You do realize me saying that back then was a joke right? And you taking it seriously meant you have belief the proGG can support tolerance. So kudos for being a castle-gate more openminded than Vain.

Do you not see that antiGG has been shaming and hating from the start? Gamers are dead? Gaming=intolerance?? What kind of mainstream media slob would believe playing a game would cause someone to change their behavior to the delicious media fantasy of ''exclusion''? AntiGG and SJ in general suffers from HUGE intolerance complex. They don't just express their dissatisfaction on twitter, and get called intolerant. They try to remove the thing they don't tolerate. So yes, if AntiGG wants mechanically-focused gamers to stop insulting antigames, stop the stupid intolerance to any game which offends you [ie; them, not actually you].
Certainly it is true that Gone Home is something one might enjoy. And I don't see anything wrong with that. My actual beef with Gone Home is the way the press and award organizers have treated the game just because there are homosexuals in the story. They give it too much praise, possibly more than deserved, just because it is "progressive". Imagine if the main story was not about a homosexual relationship but about a heterosexal one, it would be panned by "critics" and win only awards fro bad games.
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Arinielle: Been trying to keep up with this...this is crazy. I've rarely ever used Reddit other than to look at cute animals ( no, I'm not joking >.>; ). I try not to get too much into Kotaku In Action but I don't even bother to log in for it.

I don't like more places removing all these places. Not because I use any of 'em but because I think they still have a right to exist ( my personal feelings on why I like and don't like them not to be included in this ).
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Kempeth: Well is guess they do have a right to exist. But they don't have a right to spout their hatred wherever they want. I'm all in favor of reddit banning such places from their domain. IMO any civilized service should do so. If people want to practice their hurtful and sick behavior they can do so in their own places.
The problem is not that, but the fact that Reddit still alows much worse places to exist.
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LeonardoCornejo: The problem is not that, but the fact that Reddit still alows much worse places to exist.
True, they should ban all those pits. But that does not invalidate their choice to start somewhere. "But other places are worse" is the excuse of a 5 year old.
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LeonardoCornejo: Certainly it is true that Gone Home is something one might enjoy. And I don't see anything wrong with that. My actual beef with Gone Home is the way the press and award organizers have treated the game just because there are homosexuals in the story. They give it too much praise, possibly more than deserved, just because it is "progressive". Imagine if the main story was not about a homosexual relationship but about a heterosexal one, it would be panned by "critics" and win only awards fro bad games.
Where are those reviews?
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LeonardoCornejo: The problem is not that, but the fact that Reddit still alows much worse places to exist.
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Kempeth: True, they should ban all those pits. But that does not invalidate their choice to start somewhere. "But other places are worse" is the excuse of a 5 year old.
I am not making an excuse. I am stating they are doing a half assed job and that is what angers me.
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Shadowstalker16: The way I see it, gone home requires more patience in state of mind to play through. If the player is not in the right mindset; ie wanting to skip the story and get the gameplay, gone home will fail to impress the player. For someone to enjoy it, IMO, there needs to be certain conditions that must be satisfied. They shouldn't be looking for a complex mechanical puzzle like Dark Souls or the like. Enjoying it proves you can immerse yourself easier basically, or that you can feel immersed without needing too much gameplay, and the game's writing is enough to do that. So people who are really used to being mechanically and narratively immersed and require both factors to be immersed won't feel immersed. So no right or wrong; just taste with this one. Some people may have the opposite. They may not feel immersed in the Souls-like narrative style because the narrative element is mostly hidden and can only be found through exploration. So mechanically and narrative are basically two parts of the whole game; and most people have particular tastes into how much they want of each. So its subjective is what I'm sayin :D

You do realize me saying that back then was a joke right? And you taking it seriously meant you have belief the proGG can support tolerance. So kudos for being a castle-gate more openminded than Vain.

Do you not see that antiGG has been shaming and hating from the start? Gamers are dead? Gaming=intolerance?? What kind of mainstream media slob would believe playing a game would cause someone to change their behavior to the delicious media fantasy of ''exclusion''? AntiGG and SJ in general suffers from HUGE intolerance complex. They don't just express their dissatisfaction on twitter, and get called intolerant. They try to remove the thing they don't tolerate. So yes, if AntiGG wants mechanically-focused gamers to stop insulting antigames, stop the stupid intolerance to any game which offends you [ie; them, not actually you].
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LeonardoCornejo: Certainly it is true that Gone Home is something one might enjoy. And I don't see anything wrong with that. My actual beef with Gone Home is the way the press and award organizers have treated the game just because there are homosexuals in the story. They give it too much praise, possibly more than deserved, just because it is "progressive". Imagine if the main story was not about a homosexual relationship but about a heterosexal one, it would be panned by "critics" and win only awards fro bad games.
Ok so in your homo conspiracy world, you explain Dear Ester being such a media darling, how?