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What exactly do you want me to do? If I see someone else already arguing the proof; I post something to merely express my opinion and not post the same argument as them. I don't like clone posting; and if a question of open-ended nature arises where there is more need than one poster to disprove of, I'll gladly take part.

Also, I believe we have reached an important point in this discussion so as to warrant me asking you what exactly you consider ''hate''.
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Shadowstalker16: What exactly do you want me to do? If I see someone else already arguing the proof; I post something to merely express my opinion and not post the same argument as them. I don't like clone posting; and if a question of open-ended nature arises where there is more need than one poster to disprove of, I'll gladly take part.

Also, I believe we have reached an important point in this discussion so as to warrant me asking you what exactly you consider ''hate''.
But I don't understand what
"Social justice = causing pain and suffering to wrong doer. Kill all aspects of his life.

Logical justice = punish the crime, punish the individual who did it. "

even means, or at least what it relates to and what you're basing that on or even why you think that your side has the monopoly on logic and evidence based reasoning when you provide none yourself

I feel your final question is potentially a trap but I see no irony or hypocrisy in showing hatred and intolerance towards the hateful and intolerant

Cleansing fire of righteous justice!

Two can play the haiku game!
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Fever_Discordia: snip
Seriously? Do some fucking reading...
Why are you so insistent that "A Voice For Men" or any other "MRA" is a hate group? On what grounds? Because they say bad things about feminists? So why aren't feminists who say bad things about men or MRAs a hate group?

You are the one conflating them with the KKK. Why? On what basis? What facts? You disliking them does not make them a hate group like the KKK. Who did they lynch? Where was their last cross burning? What evil men's divorce rights activists they are. How dare they!

Nope. Your answer to everything...LA LA LA HATE GROUP LA LA LA I"M RIGHT LA LA LA.

The Honey Badgers applied for the booth on behalf of the radio program and web comic. Participants of both attended the convention. What false premise? They were so sly about their attendance and booth that they used public crowd funding to pay for the booth. How sly of them, publicly hiding in plain sight...

And there is a tape of the whole "feminist panel". But don't let the real story get in the way of the facts...

How about arguing the facts for once. Not crying HATE GROUP THIS, HATE GROUP THAT.
The only hate group I'm starting to see are you damn lying and distorting feminists who seem to see hate groups in everyone who disagrees with you.

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And let me add this...to any real feminists out there. And by real feminism, I mean some version of actual equality, not this third-wave outrage feminist bullshit.
Do you see now how these radicals are giving the rest of feminism a bad name? Do you really think gaining true equality is being helped by these stupid battles to silence actual women who have a different opinion? Is this the equality you are looking for?
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RWarehall: Seriously? Do some fucking reading...
Why are you so insistent that "A Voice For Men" or any other "MRA" is a hate group? On what grounds? Because they say bad things about feminists? So why aren't feminists who say bad things about men or MRAs a hate group?

You are the one conflating them with the KKK. Why? On what basis? What facts? You disliking them does not make them a hate group like the KKK. Who did they lynch? Where was their last cross burning? What evil men's divorce rights activists they are. How dare they!

Nope. Your answer to everything...LA LA LA HATE GROUP LA LA LA I"M RIGHT LA LA LA.

The Honey Badgers applied for the booth on behalf of the radio program and web comic. Participants of both attended the convention. What false premise? They were so sly about their attendance and booth that they used public crowd funding to pay for the booth. How sly of them, publicly hiding in plain sight...

And there is a tape of the whole "feminist panel". But don't let the real story get in the way of the facts...

How about arguing the facts for once. Not crying HATE GROUP THIS, HATE GROUP THAT.
The only hate group I'm starting to see are you damn lying and distorting feminists who seem to see hate groups in everyone who disagrees with you.
But seriously, you can't see why a con organiser who just wants everyone to have a nice, pleasant event and come back next year isn't going to see people to align themselves with groups that.. are know to be deliberately provocative and express extreme views as people who are just there to cause trouble?
Especially with the press that GG and AVFM get- I'm not expressing extremist opinions about those groups, I'm saying how the majority of the people who have heard of them are going to characterise them, as my link to the SPLC, which is not some feminist fringe site but a well respected legal advocacy site indicates. Whether that's just our sides propaganda working or if they are genuine hate-mongers or somewhere in the middle, I can see why they wouldn't want them there...
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Shadowstalker16: What exactly do you want me to do? If I see someone else already arguing the proof; I post something to merely express my opinion and not post the same argument as them. I don't like clone posting; and if a question of open-ended nature arises where there is more need than one poster to disprove of, I'll gladly take part.

Also, I believe we have reached an important point in this discussion so as to warrant me asking you what exactly you consider ''hate''.
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Fever_Discordia: But I don't understand what
"Social justice = causing pain and suffering to wrong doer. Kill all aspects of his life.

Logical justice = punish the crime, punish the individual who did it. "

even means, or at least what it relates to and what you're basing that on or even why you think that your side has the monopoly on logic and evidence based reasoning when you provide none yourself

I feel your final question is potentially a trap but I see no irony or hypocrisy in showing hatred and intolerance towards the hateful and intolerant

Cleansing fire of righteous justice!

Two can play the haiku game!
We seem
to have reached the level of understanding where both of us don't understand anything of the other's posts. So I'll elaborate.........

What I meant is that when someone asked why SJW sites try character assassination, I replied that SJ was about that because naturally emotions are targeted at a physical entity. I think that's clear. I then compared evidence based justice. Clear.

What are my basis for these assumptions that SJWs are such a group? Their actions that everyone can see are bad. The attack on Briana Wu, the blind hatred towards people without any explained basis, their simple lack of forgiveness, their frenzied self righteousness everything leads me groupthink: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink

Symptoms of Group Think as per Irving Janis:
Type I: Overestimations of the group — its power and morality

Illusions of invulnerability creating excessive optimism and encouraging risk taking.
Unquestioned belief in the morality of the group, causing members to ignore the consequences of their actions.

Type II: Closed-mindedness

Rationalizing warnings that might challenge the group's assumptions.
Stereotyping those who are opposed to the group as weak, evil, biased, spiteful, impotent, or stupid.

Type III: Pressures toward uniformity

Self-censorship of ideas that deviate from the apparent group consensus.
Illusions of unanimity among group members, silence is viewed as agreement.
Direct pressure to conform placed on any member who questions the group, couched in terms of "disloyalty"
Mindguards— self-appointed members who shield the group from dissenting information.

Type I
Invulnerability illusions: Briana Wu's self appointed Praetorian Guard which said they wanted to crush skulls, many many anorexic journalists and armchair white knight's proclamations of violence.

Unquestioning of morality: can be seen in the ignorance of Wu's self harassment campaign, denial of Anita's ''not a gamer'' video, denial of REAL FEMINISTS who have actual principles and experience and many many others.

Type II

Rationalization: denial of Honey Badgers incident, denial of proof that games cause misogyny, denial in general of everything against their ideolgy

Steryotyping: if you don't know this already; you should start from the timeline and take a few hours or weeks to catch up. EVERYTHING. Saying all gamers are misogynists, neckbeards, saying gamers are fat, introverts, everything. YOU KNOW THIS.

Type III
1.Proof not possible without acceptance
2.Same
3.Disloyalty shaming Wu, or anyone in general. Again, there are only radicals, so loyalty is held in high regard.
4.Their extensive censorship programs like autoblocker and DMCA takedowns.
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Fever_Discordia: But seriously, you can't see why a con organiser who just wants everyone to have a nice, pleasant event and come back next year isn't going to see people to align themselves with groups that.. are know to be deliberately provocative and express extreme views as people who are just there to cause trouble?
Especially with the press that GG and AVFM get- I'm not expressing extremist opinions about those groups, I'm saying how the majority of the people who have heard of them are going to characterise them, as my link to the SPLC, which is not some feminist fringe site but a well respected legal advocacy site indicates. Whether that's just our sides propaganda working or if they are genuine hate-mongers or somewhere in the middle, I can see why they wouldn't want them there...
Some simple questions:
1. Which extreme views of HBB do you mean and where did they say them?
2. Is having a different opinion and stating it calmly when you were given permission to do so already deemed as "provocative"?
3. Did you actually hear first hand what this is all about or do you just repeat what you read somewhere mixed with the usual prejudice?

I'll post it again and again if I have to, here is a direct recording of what actually happened, I even added a timestamp for you to make it even easier:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymkIiGRvtBg&t=18m30s

I don't need to hear this story told by a pro-gg or anti-gg, it's right there and quite obvious.
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Fever_Discordia: But seriously, you can't see why a con organiser who just wants everyone to have a nice, pleasant event and come back next year isn't going to see people to align themselves with groups that.. are know to be deliberately provocative and express extreme views as people who are just there to cause trouble?
Especially with the press that GG and AVFM get- I'm not expressing extremist opinions about those groups, I'm saying how the majority of the people who have heard of them are going to characterise them, as my link to the SPLC, which is not some feminist fringe site but a well respected legal advocacy site indicates. Whether that's just our sides propaganda working or if they are genuine hate-mongers or somewhere in the middle, I can see why they wouldn't want them there...
I can totally understand why they don't want them there because your side paints them as evil... except they can't kick them out solely because of that since Calgary Expo is a taxpayer funded event.
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Fever_Discordia: But seriously, you can't see why a con organiser who just wants everyone to have a nice, pleasant event and come back next year isn't going to see people to align themselves with groups that.. are know to be deliberately provocative and express extreme views as people who are just there to cause trouble?
Especially with the press that GG and AVFM get- I'm not expressing extremist opinions about those groups, I'm saying how the majority of the people who have heard of them are going to characterise them, as my link to the SPLC, which is not some feminist fringe site but a well respected legal advocacy site indicates. Whether that's just our sides propaganda working or if they are genuine hate-mongers or somewhere in the middle, I can see why they wouldn't want them there...
What I see is a con organizer who is going to get his ass sued for discrimination. They were allowed a booth. They did nothing wrong. If anyone should be banned from future conventions, it should be the lying feminists who grouped together to send 25 false reports to the con organizers. But hey, you are supporting liars, what does that make you?

And frankly, the SPLC is no longer a greatly respected group given the controversy over the last few years where they have attacked some very mainstream groups and put them on their hate list. Like I said, do some research. Right now, the SPLC has become a propaganda group who is using politics to fund raise. By choosing to include almost every Christian group on their list on the flimsy premise they are a hate group solely for disagreeing with gay rights.

As to the AVFM, what press? Barely no one has heard of them outside of your feminist hugfest echo chambers. And no one really cares. They are your boogeymen.

Frankly, all I see are feminists deliberately being provocative. Ban them then. Your extreme views would deserve a ban.

But again, all you are doing is justifying "Shoot the messenger" "Guilt by Association" "Censorship". No one can speak their mind unless they agree with you or they are a hate group. Frankly, I find you and your ilk despicable.

Take note everyone...perfect example of "diversity" and "freedom of speech" the neo-feminist way. Hope you don't like saying anything...
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tremere110: I can totally understand why they don't want them there because your side paints them as evil... except they can't kick them out solely because of that since Calgary Expo is a taxpayer funded event.
I thought they got most of their funding from sponsors and payments from the attendants. How big portion of the funds come from taxpayers?
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Fever_Discordia: But seriously, you can't see why a con organiser who just wants everyone to have a nice, pleasant event and come back next year isn't going to see people to align themselves with groups that.. are know to be deliberately provocative and express extreme views as people who are just there to cause trouble?
Then why did this Con organizer choose to include "politics" related panel in it's Con in the first place ?

If he/she really wanted that everyone to have a "nice"/"pleasant" event then he/she should have only included "safe" panel and avoid any "touchy" subject.

You cannot have both, you cannot on one side want your con to include debates/panels on "politics" or more "serious" subject and at the same time ban peoples having different opinion in the name of creating a "nice dissident-voices-free" environment.
Its enough they do get Canadian funding and Canada also has laws governing public rights which are not blocked by private domain. In other words, one cannot discriminate against them because you don't like who they might be associated with. True anti-discrimination, not the crazy neo-feminists who make up the rules as they go.

In other news, here another example of modern neo-feminists in action.
[url=http://reason.com/blog/2015/04/22/interview-wih-christina-hoff-sommers-saf#.hyry9y:CpUb]http://reason.com/blog/2015/04/22/interview-wih-christina-hoff-sommers-saf#.hyry9y:CpUb[/url]
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tremere110: I can totally understand why they don't want them there because your side paints them as evil... except they can't kick them out solely because of that since Calgary Expo is a taxpayer funded event.
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amok: I thought they got most of their funding from sponsors and payments from the attendants. How big portion of the funds come from taxpayers?
Don't know and it doesn't matter. You don't want Canadian free speech laws to apply to your event then don't take any money at all from the Canadian government - even if it's just a dollar.
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tremere110: Don't know and it doesn't matter. You don't want Canadian free speech laws to apply to your event then don't take any money at all from the Canadian government - even if it's just a dollar.
Actually Canadian free speech laws, specifically a Charter of Rights and Freedoms which protect such even without government funding. One cannot have a public event and discriminate, period. Not only feminists are protected....
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The only thing I am going to say is let them sue, and we will see what will happen. It should be a nice easy case, according to your evidence, so not risk involved. I would actually like to see it happen.

edit - actually, I would advice the Honey Badger Brigade, or A Voice for Men or who-ever is behind them, to sue the expo so we get some clarification. I mean, if the expo is in the wrong, is that not what they should do? and at least get their (tax payer....) monies back. or at least get the moral / legal victory against the SJW? I would actually find it strange if they do not pursue it, which such a clear case.
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amok: The only thing I am going to say is let them sue, and we will see what will happen. It should be a nice easy case, according to your evidence, so not risk involved. I would actually like to see it happen.
I do find it ironic how you think people have a right to discriminate and kick whomever they want out of a convention. Heck, you even try to make excuses for it. You are an unethical person by far. Talk about intolerance...
Neo-feminsts and their supporters have no clue what the word "ethics" means...