Somewhere to keep all the cherries you picked : http://bradfordschools.net/blog/ksa/files/2012/01/open-basket.jpg

In short, you support censorship for contrived reasons. Reasons that did not come from Rockstar, yet they should suffer for it. Talk about who is immoral here. You are...

Edit: Notice how you deceptively tried to turn the tables citing the ad. Rockstar did not make the ad, Target did. Notice how you conveniently now claim the petition is against Target when it is against GTA V.

You just make our point that various people are willfully manipulating in order to achieve their agendas including yourself in this discussion.

OK you're both sounding a bit crazy at this point, and maybe I am too!
Interesting to note that Godwin's Law affects both sides equally, though. Its getting like an experiment to see how long any sense will be made before arguments just degenerate into

"Nazi, Nazi, ISIS, Nazi, Sarkessian, SS, Auschwitz, Nazi, Baldwin, Nazi, gater, Timmy, Tim, Tim, Nazi, Al-Quaeda, Nazi Wu, Wa, Wu, Wa, Wu, Wa, Wu, Nazi!
So stick THAT up your GamerGate and smoke it you Total Biscuit, you"

I must admit I DO wish I lived in the parallel dimension where a petition was brought against Target by a group of gamers saying
"Oi Target stop representing our games as toys and advertising R18 + products to children and their parents"
And won, I wish that the advertising policy was the focus and not any one game in particular.

Maybe it's a wake-up call that gamers SHOULD be doing more to change perceptions about who games are for, gamers, feminists and parents should all be against the kind of advertising that Target are using - it's wrong and if gamers don't visibly tackle that which is wrong and use the fight to promote their agenda, then other groups will seize it to further theirs

And no, I'm not changing my stance, really, my original post back here:
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_gamergate_news_thread?search=target
Was saying that I thought that the issue was who games where being marketed at, who was buying them and for who.

It was just you're annoying arguments where you were in complete denial that 'The Hooker Trick' was a thing (look - I've found its name now and everything) and that you couldn't see why blowing someone away who was literally just blowing you a second ago was more shaky moral ground than almost anything else in GTA or gaming in general that got me sidetracked...

Let's put it this way. Was the wording and placement of the ad unfortunate? Yeah, but this sort of thing happens a lot. Jay Leno made a career out of typos and poorly worded or misplaced ads. But what does this have to do with banning GTA V from Targets and K-marts?

The answer. NOTHING!

Just the fact that ad is part of the petition shows what lengths some people go to to distort the truth. Just as Fever did in trying to pull emotional heart strings with his illogical argument above to convince people there is nothing wrong with the petition, they did it too. And its meaningless.

Target having a X-mas ad with GTA alongside Barbie is not a reason the game should be banned. It doesn't make sense. But both Fever and the petitioners are both trying to make this ridiculous case...

Speaking of petitions and distorting the truth:
https://www.change.org/p/ea-games-remove-anita-sarkeesian-from-mirror-s-edge-2-game-development

:)

honestly, I feel the game took all the blame others should have taken.

You sold an 18+ game to a minor? Your fault and one that is (as far as i'm aware) punishable by law.

You bought an 18+ game for your kid without informing yourself? Your parenting failure, you have 0 right to complain. I'm not saying parents can't buy games over their kids age if they judge they can handle it (my parents also got me 16+games when i was 13) but you can't go and whine to the game and the store later.

Imagine parents complaining to a store they bought the movie "slaughter at the fetish sex club" (which was rated 18+) when their kids asked and to their great and devastating shock, it had nudity and brutal violence in it. REMOVE IT IT IS INAPPROPRIATE.
well yes, that's what the age logo is for madam.

There you go twisting words again. Show me anywhere where anyone claimed that prostitutes did not give you health in the game? That is the "Hooker Trick". That is what is cited in all 4 of your examples. The fact one could later kill them is a feature of the universal game mechanics, and you'll note is mentioned as an optional action in a few of your examples.

Furthermore, if you thought the issue was marketing. Guess what? You were wrong again...
The issue always has been that the game was removed from K-marts and Targets on a flimsy distorted platform of lies and diversions. That somehow the game promotes "violence to women". Strange, that is even mentioned in the title? Wonder how you missed that?
I wonder where people got that idea...
http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/TheKodu/the-sarkeesian-the-dice-and-the-mirror--235992.phtml

But please elaborate...we have been discussing specifically how this petition has been wrong and showing exactly how it is distorting facts. Please share what you see as shortcomings in that petition. Are they factual inaccuracies or gross distortions?

Because you are claiming "distorting the truth". Where specifically do you see this?

You mean beside the fact that EA had never approached Sarkeesian to work on ME2?

I agree with most of that but imagine that same store had run an ad featuring "slaughter at the fetish sex club" under the heading 'toys' next to dolls and figures for pre-teens and pre-schoolers and above a heading for children's clothes!

The fact that most people would be all 'Holy fuck-balls what's THAT doing there' at "slaughter at the fetish sex club" and, I'm betting, a hell of a lot less people thought GTA V looked as out of place - that should tell you, right there that something is going wrong somewhere!

And no, I don't think its just a one-off amusing blooper for Jay Leno to bring up, I think it's standard operating procedure, its like a racket Target and stores like it globally, have got going on with gamer children to get these games past their parents and who can blame the kids? Of course they WANT GTA - it's the good shit! So there's a market there and Target are a company...

While most of the adult gamer audience doesn't buy games for themselves at Target - they go places like GameStop, or if they're PROPER gamers ie. part of the PC gaming master race they'll download them from Steam... eventually (or wait even longer if they're DRM Free zealots *waves*) :P

heh look - Well at least SOMEONE agrees with me...
http://www.kotaku.com.au/2014/12/when-it-comes-to-grand-theft-auto-v-and-target-this-might-be-part-of-the-problem/

*edit* - comments section? Dildos and 50 Shades of Gray? WTF? I swear I never saw this article before in my life!

That is not distorting the facts, that is being wrong. There is a difference. And as I pointed out, Destructoid did make that claim, so I'm not surprised someone believed it.

hmm...good gaming journalism, then...

and it is distorting the truth. Presenting something which is wrong, is distorting the truth...

As usual neo-fems claim to know exactly what people are thinking, just ask them. Target apparently obviously intended to sell it to children, it wasn't just an ad exec who saw a popular and profitable store item and put it in the ad.

Just like how neo-fems claim the killing of any female avatar in a video game is done because the player is a misogynist pig who hates all women...

Yup, these people can read minds!
Uh, no! Your command of the English language appears to be faulty. Now if they knowingly knew that Anita had nothing to do with development, and started the petition anyway...that would, in fact, be distorting the truth. There is a difference.

But I will agree, it is a sad sign of the quality of game journalism these days. Interesting how some people don't have a problem with these journalists just writing whatever they want without fact-checking or any consideration if it's even relevant to the task at hand.

Like, if I ever forget an 'I reckon' or a 'It seems to me' can you just act like I didn't please? We're just arguing semantics otherwise...
Unless you don't think I should be allowed to thorise...

Again missing the point. It's not semantics. Amok jumped into the conversation essentially saying "If you think the Target petition was bad, look at this one." And I did. The Target petition got a game banned, made spurious claims that the game is specifically encouraging violence to women. Hence distorting the truth.

The other, thought Anita was advising EA, and she wasn't.

The first was misleading, the second misinformed. The first wrongly took a game out of stores, the second did nothing because, well, Anita was never advising them.