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tinyE: Why do you think I'm trying to derail it? :P
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AnxiousWizard: This is the third time i use the forum, probably. I am not aware of any threads on a similar topic.
To be honest i was not expecting it to be very constructive to begin with.

I get it you're a fanboy. Nothing new here. Just like every person defending their favourite gaming company etc.

The onslaught that followed with Dragon Age 2 was enough for me to draw conclusions on how fanboism works at it's peak.

(edited a grammatical error for the people intending to draw more puns out of this :p )
GOG is owned by CDPR, the studio that makes The Witcher games. CDPR's finances are a matter of public record. And GOG is doing quite well according to those records.

So, in this case, the impression you have from your own buying habits and from what you see on the forums here just does not paint the whole picture.

Cheers.
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misteryo: GOG is owned by CDPR, the studio that makes The Witcher games.
That's actually not quite accurate. GOG and CD Projekt RED are sister companies, as both are subsidiaries of the same parent company, CD Projekt. CDPR does not own GOG.
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tinyE: I am not a fan boy.
Fan girl?

Fan... donkey?

Donkey fan?
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misteryo: GOG is owned by CDPR, the studio that makes The Witcher games.
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Marioface5: That's actually not quite accurate. GOG and CD Projekt RED are sister companies, as both are subsidiaries of the same parent company, CD Projekt. CDPR does not own GOG.
Thanks for the clarification.
I buy my games on GoG because I want to play a working copy of an old game or even pick up a newer working copy of a game and have it forever in my library. The sale prices of many games let me collect many titles that I have never heard of before too. I consider them a vendor and definitely not donation ware, if they no longer offer me games that I like or have business practices I disagree with I'll go elsewhere for my purchases with no guilt.

As for their future, who knows, I just hope they dont get greedy and take on too many secondary projects without adequate staff to handle it and then start to lose quality of what they already have.
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tinyE: I am not a fan boy.
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CharlesGrey: Fan girl?

Fan... donkey?

Donkey fan?
I'm a chicken.
On a steel horse I ride.
And I'm wanted,
Kentucky Fried.


And in closing, exactly what mintee just posted. I couldn't have put it any better myself.
Post edited November 28, 2015 by tinyE
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AnxiousWizard: 1. ...New releases are coming slow and it's (almost) never a big release...
I think that's more than a little subjective. The D&D Gold Box Releases were huge; people have been clamoring for them ever since the late beta days of GOG. The release of System Shock 1 was thought to be near-impossible. In addition to getting Star Trek games, more Star Wars games, Warhammer/Warhammer 40K, Warner Brothers, Stardock, and Paradox, I think 2015 has been the best and biggest for GOG so far in terms of new IP, more releases, and more publishers/developers.

If you're talking about AAA day-one releases, then yes, GOG has always been deficient on that front. But who do you think is really to blame for that?
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AnxiousWizard: 2. My perception is that quite a few people buy games on GoG to support it mostly and to strengthen the DRM-free case / campaign. For that reason i found myself re-buying old games i used to own or own besides the sake of nostalgia and the like. More often than not i didn't play them again. Example i have Space Quest in a limited boxed edition and i bought it here again just to buy it.
In my case, I would heartily agree, but it's also a matter of convenience. I find the process of reinstalling and updating my games and game extras far easier (for me) with GOG and/or Galaxy as opposed to HB or GG. And it's far, far easier than having to dig through my email for a download link, which is what I used to have to do for some indie games. That's especially true for games I've already owned where I had to go through a lot of hoops to extract the data files and pair them with a source port or compatibility setup apporpriate for my platform of choice. In some cases they've even already done it for me.
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AnxiousWizard: 4. GoG Galaxy is mostly an overglorified installation app with some online features slapped on it. Don't get me wrong but umm. GoG Galaxy is an online gaming platform but there's no online games to actually play being sold on GoG besides a few new releases i can count with the fingers of a single hand.
I'm increasingly convinced that Galaxy is a feature for the publishers/developers/IP holders first. Yes, people have been asking for a client, and Galaxy's main usefulness is more apparent when dealing with large patches for indie games that are still seeing regular updates. But it's also become apparent to me that GOG is also sending a clear message to developers/publishers/IP holders like Night Dive, who've come out and said that the lack of online MP features (and other online features) equivalent to Steam is what has held them back from releasing more games on GOG.
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AnxiousWizard: The points bring me to the big question.

Is GoG donationware so to speak?

I mean, lots of people buy games here for nostalgia's sake and to support DRM free products.
I can think of better causes to donate money than making a company rich(er)
I think "donationware" is the wrong word to use; I think the more appropriate term is "charity case". In the case of Jeff Vogel (who's blog entry I've linked to there), he's talking about a niche segment of the gaming industry which he relies on for sustenance -- an audience that doesn't have to support him by buying his games, if they didn't want to, and could easily go somewhere else for their gaming needs.

With GOG, I've come to think of it the same way. We don't *have* to buy our games here. We could get the vast majority of them from Steam/HB/GG if we really wanted them (regardless of price, even). We chose GOG because we support the business ideals that they profess (for the moment anyway), and we want those ideals to persist.
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AnxiousWizard: Anyhow. This is the way i feel currently. The final slap for me was the fact that GoG denied selling Thea: The Awakening and Heroine's Quest which made me really question it's motives.
For Heroine's Quest, it's a free game; I can easily see why GOG wouldn't be quick to put it up on the site. In the case of past freebies, they were introduced alongside games that had a storied history (like the Ultima games), or they were promoted with unique events like special sales. In all cases, GOG has usually used freeware releases to help drive sales of other games.

For Thea, it's another frustrating case of GOG not seeing enough demand. I voted in the Wishlist entry for it, and I hope you can make more people interested in it too. Look at games like The Cat Lady as examples of cases where GOG reversed sales decisions based on popular demand. If you really want to see a greater push for that game, think about hitting up Barry_Woodward, who's been GOG's resident champion for indie game releases.
Just keep it DRM-free and gog should not only continue to exist but should end up establishing a monopoly. But, sadly, that's probably not how things will turn out. The good OLD games have by now been exhausted, the new titles are here, along with all the obligatory DLC and the corrupt way of releasing and selling games. Gog will end up being forced to abandon their principles just in order to stay in business is my guess. Commercialism has swallowed up and totally taken control of yet another industry. I love games, I hate the games industry
I think GOG has a bright future if they keep going this way, the addition of new publishers is healthy for their business. Their influx of games every week is also spot on, not too much - not too little.
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CharlesGrey: Fan girl?

Fan... donkey?

Donkey fan?
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tinyE: I'm a chicken.
On a steel horse I ride.
And I'm wanted,
Kentucky Fried.
Ouch. XD
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OldHat: There were "free" versions of many games on here. I have a large collection from back in the day. Some floppies aren't working correctly but I own them so was apparently ok to download "replacements". That said though it offers peace of mind knowing I can have a digital file now, that I paid for fair and square. If there are any issues relating to the game license etc, it becomes GOG's problem, not mine. The only problem is if it turns out it's a fraudulent site (who knows all the intricacies of legalese), but even so it still becomes GOG's problem. I prefer spending a couple of ££'s as that is all many of the titles cost, than dredging through abandonware sites. If possible I like to buy the original floppies/cd but sometimes you just can't find 'em.
Yes, you're are the man who knows what I mean!

But it did escape your notice, that I mentioned it as an advice -nothing more and nothing less.
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AnxiousWizard: The subject of the topic says it all. Just where is GoG going to go, or how far rather and most importantly what's it's purpose.

I will categorize my points into numbered bullets for clarity's sake.

1. After being a member for a little while on GoG i own most of the games if not all i ever wanted to have here. New releases are coming slow and it's (almost) never a big release. Some bigger titles have been on GoG lately though thanks to Kickstarter campaigns that made the DRM-free releases mandatory.

2. My perception is that quite a few people buy games on GoG to support it mostly and to strengthen the DRM-free case / campaign. For that reason i found myself re-buying old games i used to own or own besides the sake of nostalgia and the like. More often than not i didn't play them again. Example i have Space Quest in a limited boxed edition and i bought it here again just to buy it.

4. GoG Galaxy is mostly an overglorified installation app with some online features slapped on it. Don't get me wrong but umm. GoG Galaxy is an online gaming platform but there's no online games to actually play being sold on GoG besides a few new releases i can count with the fingers of a single hand.

The points bring me to the big question.

Is GoG donationware so to speak?

I mean, lots of people buy games here for nostalgia's sake and to support DRM free products.
I can think of better causes to donate money than making a company rich(er)

Anyhow. This is the way i feel currently. The final slap for me was the fact that GoG denied selling Thea: The Awakening and Heroine's Quest which made me really question it's motives.

I know probably many people will disagree or find my words insulting but that's how i feel, sorry.
Sorry mate, but this reasoning is a strainer (a.k.a. full of holes).

1. Define what a big release is. To me the id/Bethesda games were a HUGE addition to the catalogue and a GREAT boost of hope for our morale. Bethesda were infamous for not being DRM-lovers.
Also at October 2014 they added Disney/LucasArts. Also on 2015 we've witnessed the first GOG published games.
Also we've seen System Shock 1 (which was clusterfucked and a nightmare to release) and many more games.

Impossible Creatures is the last HUGE addition for this platform. And although i have never played it, many others consider it as HUGE.

2. Other guys have answered you on this one

4. You've misunderstood the purposes of GOG Galaxy.
Galaxy is not only used for multiplayer gaming , but also used for getting previous versions of games (in the site's downloader i don't think you can do that).
Also take into consideration that Galaxy is on BETA. It has not yet a achievements for all games and several other features.

Lot of Gloom and Doom.
Hmmm mmaybe i'll go play some Quake now :D
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Theoclymenus: Just keep it DRM-free and gog should not only continue to exist but should end up establishing a monopoly. But, sadly, that's probably not how things will turn out. The good OLD games have by now been exhausted,
What? The good old games have already been exhausted?
So when did i miss the release of the following games?

Carmageddon TDR 2000
Nocturne
Blair Witch Project Bundle (Volumes 1,2 and 3)
Road Rash
Need For Speed Bundle (1 + SE, 2 + SE, 3 ,4)
Monkey Island 3
Full Throttle
Day Of The Tentacle
Mortal Kombat Trilogy and 4
Discworld Bundle (I , II , Noir)

Powerslave
Strife
Bug!
Machine Hunter
The Grinch
Ecstatica
Ecstatica 2
Flashback
Witchaven
Hexen
Heretic
Heretic 2
Ignition
City Of Lost Children
level 9 bundle ( adventure games)
Shadowlands (1992 http://homeoftheunderdogs.net/game.php?id=966)
Shakii The Wolf
Sink Or Swim
Titus The Fox
Spirit Warrior
FX Fighter
Test Drive Bundle (1-4)
TOCA Touring Car Championship
Destruction Derby 1 & 2
Trial By Magic
Nicky Boom
Jill In The Jungle
Nightmare Creatures
Comix Zone
Black Dahlia
Ripper (the adventure game) [/i]

Black Dahlia
Take No Prisoners
Black And White
Down in the Dumps
The 2 painkiller add-ons
Vampire the Masquarade : Bloodlines]


and that's only my wishlist...
Post edited November 28, 2015 by Epitaph666
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AnxiousWizard: Not as much as well as distribute. Like Steam does.
Steam offers Heroine's Quest for free thus boosting the popularity of the game since a lot less people would be able to learn about it if it was available only on the maker's site.

My point was, why GoG refuse to feature the game. It makes no sense from my point of view
Most likely reason is that if GOG put up a game like Heroine Quest, they would be obligated to provide some degree of customer support for it and they probably would just rather save the money and energy for games that need it more. Steam doesn't have that particular hang-up - they put the games on their site, but if there's a technical problem it's on the developers and customers to hash it out.
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Martek: You can't see the camera in his pants, but it is happy to see you.. :p
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tinyE: Okay what i meant was the reflection of the camera! XD
I knew you meant that - was jsut giving you a hard time :)

Anyways, I've seen that move so many times I lost count (it was the first DVD movie I ever bought - and I also purchased my DVD-player to go along with it - way back in 1999) - but yet I don't recall ever noticing the camera. Now I'll have to check that out when I get a chance :)
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Breja: Or "caribou". I really like that one.
Splendid word!