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Posted August 21, 2018
DRM-free approach in games has been at the heart of GOG.COM from day one. We strongly believe that if you buy a game, it should be yours, and you can play it the way it’s convenient for you, and not how others want you to use it.

The landscape has changed since 2008, and today many people don’t realize what DRM even means. And still the DRM issue in games remains – you’re never sure when and why you can be blocked from accessing them. And it’s not only games that are affected, but your favourite books, music, movies and apps as well.

To help understand what DRM means, how it influences your games and other digital media, and what benefits come with DRM-free approach, we’re launching the FCK DRM initiative. The goal is to educate people and ignite a discussion about DRM. To learn more visit https://fckdrm.com, and share your opinions and stories about DRM and how it affects you.
Posted August 21, 2018
AWESOME! :D
Posted August 21, 2018
OK, nice, but where the FCK is my Skyrim, Mass Effect, Borderlands, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Total War series and so many others? It seems that some companies don't give a FCK about DRM-Free just yet, even though there were some surprising exceptions lately...
Posted August 21, 2018
More I think about this whole thing, the fact that they did not include (at the very least) itch.io as a place to buy DRM-free games gives the whole thing an aura of propaganda
Posted August 21, 2018
Nice job. ;D
Posted August 21, 2018
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jorlin: You do realise that C&C/ RA had a period when the classic games C&C and RA could be downloaded for free, right?
As a matter of fact I legally own disk images from that period and those images do not install DRM upon installation and/ or running the games. I do agree with you that without recompilation from the source, those classics won't take advantage of multi-core systems natively and many of them won't install/ play on modern systems without an OS layer/ emulator that is compatible with them.

Also, Westwood (Studios) has sadly being assimilated by EA and exists today in name only.
Although to be fair, EA is not to blame for the situation that led to said assimilation. The cause was mismanagement by the board of Westwood. When they were on the verge of bankruptcy, EA merely swooped in to secure the assets.
The only company afaik. that has the rights to recompile the games is EA, though there might be other rights holders involved. Don't loose hope, even System Shock 2 has eventually been revived by the legal and negotiation efforts of Studio Nightdive.
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gamesfreak64: i know about the gesture EA made :D i dont trust EA if the games are not from GOG, i need 100% DRM free games
btw i doubt if they fixed the multicore , EA loves to fix their wallets. thats what they really love to do.
Eeven the first decade is old shites i bought the box hoping it would fix the extreme cpu but nope.... so all they added were the imho ugly other cc generals, i also dislike RA3 and everythin after that with that imho ugly graphics thats 3d aswell...
I understand your reluctance to trust such software. As a matter of precaution, I have a machine that is not linked to the internet which has a Windows XP SP3 (yes the unofficial patch) box which can be re-installed, by simply restoring the image outside of the OS, reverting any unwelcome traces that the game might have left upon installation.
Posted August 21, 2018
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Erpy: Is the site aimed at anyone other than the already-converted?
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darthspudius: it's a total circle jerk.
thats a good one: the already converted ...............
i think i do not belong to the already-converted nor the newly-converted, i was born converted and i don't mean converted from one form to another form but to a DRM free hugger.

Always been a DRM hater,but lucky for us DRM free lovers, there were always ways around to make our expensive bought games work: images on the pc to spare the cdrom from damaging because of frequent use.

Anyway the honest paying gamer is always the one that was hurt and will always be hurt most because of the unscrupulous DRM hugging people, of whom many amoral publishers refuse to release games DRM free.
Post edited August 21, 2018 by gamesfreak64
Posted August 21, 2018
Fear Creepy Killswitches?

1. Move the red cross to DRM red cross column for a better psychological impact, at first look we could think DRM-free is not a 100% advantage.

2. The webpage icon is the same as GOG's webpage, you should have a neutral one especially if you want like-minded DRM-free initiatives to join your list and feel more comfortable.

3. Not a big fan of rude words like FCK: it's the easy way to buzz and gain attention, and it could have been more ironic/subtle/positive (GOG's boss own quote "we believe in the carrot, not in the stick") and we aren't all cool rofl cursing gaming bad boys enjoying this kind of Internet foul language while mommy isn't watching.
Posted August 21, 2018
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It's pretty laughable that Gabe Newell, founder of the largest DRM platform in existence, is quoted on there. It almost undermines the entire message.
Posted August 21, 2018
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Mawthra: This would be great and all, but in my opinion, GOG really isn't there yet... constant annoyances you always hear on the forums:

* Games not getting updates and/or completely abandoned on GOG
* Backup installers not being up to date with the Galaxy version of the game
* Games on GOG generally feeling like an afterthought to Steam (still have Steam references in menus, etc.)
^This

Moreover, some releases here on GOG lack in features or content presented in Steam games (multiplayer, achievements etc.). Hell, some of them even have inbuilt DRM! Though I'm very glad to see so many DRM-free stuff here, but GOG staff have to be more honest to make statements like this one.
Posted August 21, 2018
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ColJohnMatrix: It's pretty laughable that Gabe Newell, founder of the largest DRM platform in existence, is quoted on there. It almost undermines the entire message.
Even The Dread Lord GabeN knows it doesn't work.
Posted August 21, 2018
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Post edited August 21, 2018 by Fairfox
Posted August 21, 2018
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Vythonaut: OK, nice, but where the FCK is my Skyrim, Mass Effect, Borderlands, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Total War series and so many others? It seems that some companies don't give a FCK about DRM-Free just yet, even though there were some surprising exceptions lately...
I agree with at least two fifths of that list. GOG catalogue is not exactly empty, I have large enough backlog amassed, but sometimes I too have moment of weakness and question my decision to only buy here. Didn't cave in, yet. If this initiative helps to fill the gaps, all the better.
Post edited August 21, 2018 by huan
Posted August 21, 2018
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I knew already beforehand who'd be the regular naysayers. Didn't take long for e.g. Pheace and amok to react with their bitter comments. I didn't check yet but I am sure darthspudius has contributed already as well.

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amok: funny part is - according to the definition on that site, several games on Steam are DRM free -
http://steam.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games
The problem is, they are not officially supported as DRM-free, so there are no guarantees. After all, even Skyrim was DRM-free on Steam... for awhile.

If you have any issues playing your Steam games DRM-free, no point to ask for support from Valve.
Post edited August 21, 2018 by timppu
Posted August 21, 2018
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mechmouse: Steam, the client, is DRM.
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OneFiercePuppy: No, it isn't. Here's one proof, which is all that is necessary to disprove a claim as broad and incorrect as yours.
Install a DOSBox game you got from GOG. Master of Magic, say. Add it to your Steam library manually. Launch it.
Go back to your Steam client. Launch a game you bought on Steam.
Both games are now running.

You are wrong because you mistakenly associate the clients passing of DRM information with DRM. The client is not DRM. The client helps DRM function. It passes along DRM information. It is not DRM. If it were, then I could not simultaneously run Master of Magic and Hexcells side by side, launched from the Steam client. But I am doing so right now.
It seems logic isn't your forte, so I'll elaborate for you :
- Dosbox games don't count as they don't contain DRM in respect to their client. The fact that you need to log into their service to install it IS DRM. Red herring argument.
- The client doesn't help any software, insomuch as its a REQUIREMENT for both installation AND (most of the time) running.
- Multiple different games running has nothing to do with the idea of DRM. Non-sequitur fallacy.
- Justifying your confirmation bias to fuel your personal agenda via backflips of non-logic isn't helping your case.
Posted August 21, 2018
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...and GOG is doing this with zero sense of irony as they continue to try and shove Galaxy down our throats through subterfuge and malware tactics?
Post edited August 21, 2018 by yogsloth
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