Whats the deal with Terminal? Pretend MSDOS did not exist? Well, Linux also does it right - Bourne Again shell, combined with autocomplete, combined with powerful utilities with built-in documentation system. Compare MSDOS to that. Pretend Powershell does not exist? And what is the sole reason they started making it?

Its just interface. CLI, TUI, GUI - they are all usable and still widely used.

Anyways, on Linux- configuration is stored in text files. Like you can't open a text file via text editor with a file manager on right click? Is Windows registry any better - being just a duplicate of filesystem with same text files, but packed into (memory eating) database?

You don't have to edit text files, like you don't have to edit registry - there are GUI tools which are essentially doing the very same what in windows. Read configuration, change it, apply - with buttons.

Real trouble starts when you can't edit configuration.
For example, your graphical card requires drivers to work, so you have no display. Or it incorrectly detects display and screen shuts down. How do you fare from there, if the only option you have is GUI? You reboot into safe mode, to mess up your icons - but it does not save the display config. You'll need to navigate trough registry to change the key. In Linux you switch to TTY, login, open configuration with text editor and limit topmost resolution. Is this much different, except you don't need to reboot at all?

I think most people simply judge quality of system by bells and whistles it has. Windows has tons of them - icons, backgrounds, next-buttons. But the price of that are 30+ GiB on hard disk and 2+ GiB RAM footprint. There ARE bells and whistles for Linux, but they are optional - if you want them, you can install them.

So you consider Linus Torvalds a god?

I've used a Linux live cd to recover files from botched Windows partitions since Win98.
At some point (three years ago), I just freed myself from the root of the problem and switched to the solution in the first place. ;)

Well, I'm back up and running on my Windows 7 build again, just need to finish doing the set-up. Bought a new HDD to replace the faulty one. Moving data from my 4TB external drive to my 2TB replacement is taking forever though. But I'm glad to be back up with my system functioning again!

horrible example. with my scrappy old notebook, MOST linux distros will give me a black screen or refuse to even boot up.

and there's still no 3D acceleration for PowerVR chipsets even today, because... blame intel.
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2211217

it doesn't "just work". but go on, blame intel and windows all you want.

It has nothing to do with Intel - intel graphics are VERY well supported. I have Pentium 4 with IGP as server, which works very good connected to big screen.

There is just a single intel chipset, where they outsourced the technology from PowerVR. Thats GMA500 and it did hurt them a lot. Still, its problems are very good documented. You do an elite cherry pick trolling, congratulations.

I also have this Samsung R60 right now, which will be sold this week, with likewise ancient RS600M [Radeon Xpress 1250], that has outstanding bugs with gpu memory allocation. Meaning, the 3d textures get corrupted and shared GPU memory writes will at sometime physically overwrite system memory, causing the whole system to panic or restart Xorg. This is another single case, where manufacturer can't do anything because specs are not available anymore. For example, there are absolutely no problems with hd4xxx hardware and up; primary because thats the time when AMD aquired ATI and started its open linux strategy.

calling me a troll for stating facts? and then throw out details on totally different computers likie that's gonna magically created proper drivers for unsupported video chips? you suck at apologetics. stop spreading lies. i can't take you cultists seriously like this.

no, calling you troll for being troll. This is called cherry picking.
A horrible example. with my scrappy old IBM ThinkStation P500 and want to try Windows 10, but it does not support Intel Xeon Phi Coprocessor.
Oh, this is clearly limitation of .... blame intel!

it doesn't "just work". but go on, blame intel and linux all you want.



Throwing random details on different computer?
Lets check pci devices on my Samsung R60:
00:00.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS600 Host Bridge
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS600 PCI to PCI Bridge (Internal gfx)
00:05.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS600 PCI to PCI Bridge (PCI Express Port 1)
00:06.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS600 PCI to PCI Bridge (PCI Express Port 2)
00:07.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS690 PCI to PCI Bridge (PCI Express Port 3)
00:12.0 SATA controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB600 Non-Raid-5 SATA
00:13.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB600 USB (OHCI0)
00:13.1 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB600 USB (OHCI1)
00:13.2 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB600 USB (OHCI2)
00:13.3 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB600 USB (OHCI3)
00:13.4 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB600 USB (OHCI4)
00:13.5 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB600 USB Controller (EHCI)
00:14.0 SMBus: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00 SMBus Controller (rev 14)
00:14.1 IDE interface: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB600 IDE
00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
00:14.3 ISA bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB600 PCI to LPC Bridge
00:14.4 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00 PCI to PCI Bridge
01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS600M [Radeon Xpress 1250]
02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8039 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller (rev 15)

Nope, not really random. In fact, for this very reason I have bought an MSI CR61-2M and this one will be sold soon. Perhaps, this is what you should have done, given the fact this drivers don't write themselves when even manufacturer has no access to specifications.

If you don't use Linux, then what have you lost in this thread?!

Or do you see this thread as an attempt to offensively force you into using Linux or take your beloved window from you?

Seriously, your very own answer showcases some kind of response you would expect from a misused individual. I suggest you seek psychological help, because if I would be talking to someone using windows, I wouldn't call him cultist just because this is the environment which he considers better suited for his needs - because this is childish behavior and you are risking to be not taken seriously. Unless this is your goal, because then - congratulations, have trolled and have successfully failed.


Also, I think this belongs back to you:

Here is also a useful tool: http://www.sysresccd.org That depends on motivation. I'd say I see a problem when people do it out of agreeing with their general approach (I mean all the nasty things that MS does). When people do it out of ignorance - you can't really blame them.

Thanks Shmerl

Does hiren bootcd exist today? I am really curious...

since when is a AMD Radeon Xpress 1250 a GMA ? your solution is to tell me to go buy something else. why are you, apple support? you pretty said "it just werks" for the whole thread and started throwing out accusations. go fuck yourself and learn english. this is ridiculous.

emphasis from you: " In fact, for this very reason I have bought an MSI CR61-2M and this one will be sold soon. Perhaps, this is what you should have done"

you really should go work for apple or some hardware shill. nutters.

since when is a AMD Radeon Xpress 1250 a GMA
where have I claimed X1250 to be GMA? I said, I have a problem with X1250 right now, which is similar to GMA500.

The manufacturer can't iron the bugs from the driver, because it has no access to parts of documentation. They can only make wild guesses, which they are not interested in - because said hardware is EOL for many years.

your solution is to tell me to go buy something else.
Yes. Or install OS which happens to have the still working drivers for the said hardware. Problem is - they are binary only. Once something forces this OS to be upgraded, the hardware will be fully locked out.
Let Intel confirm my words.
Does the GMA500 work under Windows 10?

why are you, apple support?
No. where have I claimed it?

you pretty said "it just werks" for the whole thread and..(snip)
No. where have I claimed it?

...and started throwing out accusations.
No. That was not an accusation.
Accusation is: "process of declaring one's belief in another's liability for that other's action(s)."
I have not expressed a doubt anywhere. However, you were throwing accusations all way down the thread (evidence below).

I called you a troll. That was not an accusation, that was a fact.

Fact is: "something that has really occurred or is actually the case."

Troll is:" person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion, often for their own amusement"


Lets check your posts:
My comment: the OP had a software failure. You are either trolling(definition above) or have problems with english. However, since you claimed myself having deficient english skills - then your skills should clearly exceed mine. So you were trolling.


My comment: OP used Linux to restore his data and said "thanks" in a thread. Please provide where he stated "HAIL LINUX" or did "circle-jerking".
By that very same logic (projection), GOG is one more "HAIL GAYMS" site and every forum thread here is "circle jerking" about that.

Excuse me, if I question your intellectual capabilities, but this is called on-topic discussion (see thread title) and OP just was glad to have his data back. Furthermore, he stated that he continues to use windows - no one is forcing him onto something he sees unfit for his goal.

My comment: How you directly attack OP for creating a "thank you" thread. At this point, you are a troll, since (definition above) you have tried everything of: (attack, derail, exaggerate) on the: (OP, subject of thread, thread itself and members posting here).


My comment: you cherry picked the device, because it is known to function below acceptable threshold for reasons outside of anything that has to do with Linux. In the link you provided, the topic is sufficiently covered with reasons explained.

Post #7:
It's not intel's fault that the drivers aren't updated per se. Intel is generally pretty much the best at linux support. The problem is that for some hardware they outsourced the video adapter, and this is one of them. The manufacturer won't release the source code.



I think the evidence above is sufficient to explain my reaction as well as proves that:
- my english is just fine
- my posts neither accuse nor contain misinformation
- you might have some problems with english
- you are childish and disrespectful
- your posts are off topic and lack substance, because you are not looking for solution or real reasons


My offer is that you refrain from posting in this thread (or any Linux thread) - nobody is replacing the OS you use on your machines with Linux forcefully and from the looks of it you are not having problems with your current configuration. Unless you want to embarrass yourself further.
But thats just an offer, because I have nothing against good entertainment.

you haven't gave me any useful "advice" except what i already know, and informing me that i'm a "troll" who picks cherries. that and buy more stuff that specifically works with the linux variants you favor. fuck, i don't even like cherries.

and i sure as heck don't think a god created man to create linux. that sounds like hubris anyhow.

>Picking cherries<
>Cherry picking<

I have given you the advice. I am in very same position with R60.
a) sell
b) install or keep configuration that works
c) donate hardware to someone who can solve it

With GMA500 (c) is very unprobable, since Intel has full access to hardware, but is very probably legally limited with fiddling with the driver. The reverse engineering might work, but that would be probably against the US law (not like anyone cares).

Linux was intially UNIX-like kernel for x86 (Intel+AMD). Now its an universal kernel for huge range of hardware platforms. Its very well man-made software.