supplementscene: You're not understanding the objective of the game. Fascists objective is to get Hitler elected, Liberals is to not let Hitler get elected.

supplementscene: I've actually changed my mind. I kind of think ZFR is Liberal who has inadvertently picked Hitler as his chancellor in the Hitler Zone. Hitler is within Joe, yourself and RWarehall. But because Lift, who I'm sure is fascist is backing Joe as chancellor, I'm pretty sure Joe is Hitler.

supplementscene: Anyway I kind of want you lot to vote for ZFR-Joe in so I can say 'Told You So' at the end of the game.

supplementscene: @Pooka if Joe is Hitler can you just assume he voted Yes to speed the vote up?

GameRager: So now you suspect Rwarehall? Why? o.0

RWarehall: Don't you know GameRager, we are the Fascist team of You, me, ZFR AND Joe!!!! All 4 of us because Scene can't count...

Lifthrasil: You? The 'most Liberal player'??? Dream on!

Also: you try to twist my words again. As you so often do. I didn't say that Joe is my choice for chancellor. (Actually I am my preferred choice, which you would know if you would actually read what I write and not what you want to read). I said that Joe is the only available choice out of the great 4. And that's not opinion, that is plain fact, since the other two are term-locked. But it is very much like you to twist something bad out of a simple statement of game facts.

Also, why should we ignore the possibility that Hitler didn't manage to get into the first 4? Perhaps because that is exactly what happened and you want a chance that he gets into government? Of course there is the possibility that Joe is Hitler and of course there is a high likelyhood of at least one Fascist among the 4. However, Micro's initial absence may well have been due to his insecurity how to play Hitler. So I will definitely vote against any government involving his chancellorship. That I will vote against any government involving you, Scene, the most Fascist player in this game, should be quite clear. That leaves me, RFG and Joe as possible Chancellors, as far as I am concerned. Although RFG was quite absent too...

GameRager: You forgot lift.....apparently scene got the numbers of fascists and liberals mixed up. o.0

Microfish_1: 1. i've said it often. i said little bc i had nothing to say. all the rest of you can argue all you want about who is copying who and who said it best; i prefer to watch listen observe, and speak up when i have something to say.

2. i haven't read past this point yet, and dinner awaits. i'm 6-10 hours behind everybody else.
GR: the condiments were in there to tlavor the flavour. XD.

3. also, noone that i recall answered my questions about policy and likelihoods. This makes me wonder if i was onto something, as it would then be in the F's favor to ignore it.

RWarehall: Good point! It's really convenient how there's really only one Liberal in the game and it's Scene, so it's crazy how he doesn't get chosen.

Microfish_1: also, noone that i recall answered my questions about policy and likelihoods. This makes me wonder if i was onto something, as it would then be in the F's favor to ignore it.

laters. (I have skimmed from my most recent post through 602)

RWarehall: And this conspiracy theory that we are all suspect and you can't trust anyone over 40% chances is silly. And if 1 person is actual fake, that means there 2 two Fascists in the group you trust or 50/50 vs 1 in 4.

supplementscene: You're not understanding the objective of the game.

ZFR: Do you see the difference? Coin toss probability is always 50%. Always. No matter what.

RWarehall: There is no way Joe is in the top half for being Hitler this game. You can make every excuse about how Joe "could have" dropped a L, but I have to assess whether he did drop one. The most likely Hitlers are You, Lift and ZFR and I have to worry about the newer players who might not know what they should do. Microfish flip-flopping about how suddenly everyone who passed the 4 Liberal policies can't be trusted comes in 4th.

The least likely Hitler is GameRager who can only be Hitler if Joe is a straight Fascist. At best Joe is the 5th most likely to be Hitler. RedFireGaming is the only player eligible less likely but we learn less than with Joe as Chancellor as there will have to be a lot of explaining if we get a 3F claim again.

You seem to ignore the idea that the reason for no conflicts very well might be the cards themselves but you have already proven you have zero understanding of this game's probabilities.

Joe's only failure, he had a 6/11 chance to draw 3Fs or 54.5%. Meaning he more likely than not drew 3Fs regardless of his alignment. I have more information since I know I received 3Fs, so I know his real odds of 3F are 5/12 or 41.7% which is still fairly reasonable.

Your crying that he is "very very likely" to have dropped a L is just plain WRONG! And your whole analysis is based on odds that you pull out of thin air and have no reflection in reality.

So the real truth, if you were honestly a Liberal doubting everyone, you should think there is a 54.5% chance he's telling the truth about his draw. But I'm pretty sure you are not. For someone with "1000s" of games under your belt, the fact you are complaining so hard tells me we are 100% safe with Joe as Chancellor and likely ZFR as well else you wouldn't be so desperate to change things. That 80% chance we (the Liberals) win right now as a L gets drawn must be bothering you...