The games have been released three days ago - I don't know what you are talking about. And no, I don't cry wolf and I never did. I said that the last trilogy was censored despite their promises and that because of that I personally have decided to wait until I buy this one because I am not sure if they would continue to do so and I personally don't want to support the game if it should be censored. I only posted because I wanted to point out that at least for me their decision to lie to me let me make the decision to wait a bit.

Could you please point me to my "constant whining?". I also don't see a pitchfork mob if people point out censoring of a certain game or if people who don't like censoring refrain from buying in the end. Nobody is forcing you to do the same.

However I am curious what you meant with your spoiler warning regarding the censoring in this release since according to you the game has not even been released yet so how would you know if there's censoring in the game or not?

Okay, that sentence is completely nonsense so unfortunately I can't reply to it. TotalBiscuit was imo a great reviewer - that's all I can say. I have absolutely no idea what you want to tell me with the other sentences.

My suggestion: Learn to read what I wrote and don't try to interpret things I never wrote and therefore never meant.

You didn't back anything up, you just mistake fallacies for facts :

One : They didn't censor X therefor Y is not censored.

Two: The rating didn't take in consideration the nude woman on Pierre jacket therefore there was no nude woman on Pierre jacket.

Honestly even for you it's pretty low effort.

Once again you are making up stories in you head and run with it; How is it crying wolf to ask if a game is censored or not ? that's not how it works.

Also you probably missed it but this thread is the "release" thread of Tomb Raider IV to VI which usually means that the games are.... you know... released...

The jacket with the nude pin up girl was in the original. If they just would have censored it on the new model it would be new content which they decided is too much - but they actually changed the jacket in the classic version as well - and that is censoring.

Btw: It would be nice if you could stop swearing. We can talk like civilized people.

I'll have to hold off on these until a major discount. Perhaps they might fix the terrible modern controls that clash with the grid-style gameplay. I'm also holding off because i'm not a big fan of anything Raina Audron touches. She butchered Soul Reaver.....and I can't even imagine what she's obsessively destroyed this time.

Insults are off limits of course, but by swearing, I reject extremist censorship far more than you can ever hope to do.

This whole idea that swear words are "uncivilized" – these are rather arbitrary and indeed highly subjective limitations on discussion culture imposed first and foremost by US religious extremists. In fact, swear words are acutely in danger of being censored off the internet in their entirety as American cultural censorship has arrived at an explosive stage – which may well progress to the oppression of diverse and inclusive content creators, authors and artists.

Yet aren't you against censorship in all forms, however small, even censorship others might consider insignificant, even censorship that might be considered helpful? Aren't these the last great freedoms left to us online, freedoms that, to quote Reinhard Mey, wear out if you don't use them?

This case isn't difficult to solve, really. The facts are all there. Tomb Raider got a PG-13 rating in 1996 because there was no visible nudity in it. Pierre Dupont had a pixel nude on his jacket, which the designers cheekily added knowing full well that (a) nobody would ever see it and (b) the resolution was so low that they could not even add a nipple to their nude.

Fast forward 30 years, with a massive upgrade in available resolutions (even in 'classic version' games), options of reverse engineering, plus American standards of 'pious' censorship squirting across the internet thanks to Zuckerberg & Cie., and you can be certain that Tomb Raider Remastered would have received an R rating featuring a visible, repainted, nude.

Tomb Raider 1996 wasn't an R rated game though, because, as previously mentioned, it didn't contain visible nudity. That's why I adamantly say you're trying to add something to this game that formerly simply wasn't there.

Adding a pair of visible naked tits in the Remaster, I insist, would have been (a) stupid as they might have gotten a higher age rating, and (b) an utter violation of the franchise's spirit. Isn't that obvious? I mean, we were all looking for the ultimate nudey code back in the day, but it didn't exist, because it was never this kind of game. Am I not entitled to feel my childhood violated too by people who make the Tomb Raider of the past something completely different than it actually was? Or maybe I'm just overreacting after witnessing how people demand "Das Kanu des Manitu" to be 'politically incorrect', which the Bullyparade never was?

Anyway, to call this altogether sensible design decision "censorship", as well as calling the developers liars with shambles for a reason, seems far less civilized to me than saying fuck a good bunch.

Oh please. There is a huge difference between censorship of a piece of published media and expecting people to act in a civilized and reasonable manner in a private discussion/debate. That you would even try to draw an equivalence there is quite ridiculous.

And here you present the classic false dichotomy: either the TR Remastered developers had to upscale the nude jacket texture or completely remove it. There couldn't be any other middle-ground option, could there?

But wait! What if they had just ... left the jacket texture as it was, at it's original resolution? Just because they are doing a remaster doesn't mean they have to upscale every single texture. Leaving that texture at its original resolution would have been a nice compromise between leaving the intention of the original artistic work intact, whilst avoiding a change that might have affected the game's rating. It would seem like quite a simple and elegant solution to me.

Choosing to remove the texture entirely, out of concern it would offend or alter the game's rating is clearly an act of censorship, and anybody can see that. Please stop insulting our intelligence.

Stop talking on behalf of others. You can continue this civilized stupidity, and the hyperboles of 'sky is falling' and '99.99% is not 100% / principles are principles' idiocy, but that's just you, or maybe few other gamers who can't shut up talking about these supposed crimes against humanity.

The first trilogy remake was awesome. I am thankful to the developers for making TR 1-3 easier to run on all sorts of machines. Hopefully, the second trilogy is just as good (at least from technical and compatibility standpoints).

You tell 'em! I'm not as intelligent as you, so it doesn't offend me...

No need to write an essay just to try to move the goal post. What you are doing is just following the usual bullet points of peoples defending censorship (or bad translations, or any other alterations) :

1. There is no censorship.
2. There is censorship but it is so minor that is not worth mentioning.
3. Ok, there is censorship but it is better that way and you are wrong (if not a misogynist, racist, etc...ist) for complaining about it.

The question, at least in this thread, never was why it was censored, but if it was censored and more importantly if the recently released games were also censored or not.

The original game had a texture showing a naked woman, with visible nipples (instead of writing a novel you should have done a quick Google search) and this texture has been censored in the remake, when playing the original version of the game, to draw a bikini over it. That's easy, whenever you consider it minor, an improvement or whatever is totally irrelevant.

Then you write a whole paragraph about rating, PG-13 and R rating are movies ratings they have nothing to do about video games, for video games it would be T and M; about the texture being visible or not on hardware of the time, you seem to forget that not everybody was playing TR1 on a Playstation 1 connected via composite to an old CRT, the game was released on PC where 3DFX and playing in 640x480 was a thing.

Amusingly when the remasters were first announced the video showed them being rated M instead of T so it didn't seem an higher rating bothered Aspyr too much : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm5TlIxTUHw

About the whole argument "they didn't censor it they just changed/"improve" it to avoid an higher rating" ; for a long time avoiding an higher rating was the main reason for video games being censored in the US, heck even on Gog we have several games who had a censored US version while the EU one was untouched (e.g. Giants Citizen Kabuto). So trying to use that as an argument of why doing it is not censorship is pretty silly.

There are clearly others besides me who feel similarly. Many people posted to complain about the censorship in the release thread for TR1-3.

I don't see anyone talking about 'crimes against humanity'. Just calling out an act of censorship for what it is. So, now who is being hyperbolic?

If you liked the TR1-3 remaster despite the (small amount of) censorship and enjoyed it, then good for you. But, you don't seem to actually be disagreeing that the game was censored, so this seems to just be another deflection attempt ...

I'd assume the modernised controls are optional as they were/are in TRI-III. I can't speak for Soul Reaver, as I have not played any version of it new or old, but TRI-III is a very faithful remaster with the only changes made to the games being the optional higher res textures and models, optional improved lighting and the single texture on Pierre's jacket. That and of course the cross on the medipacks being changed from red to green because of the red cross and their stupid lawyers, which imo is a bigger affront than the jacket but outside of the dev's control.

If this is at all like the previous remasters, I don't think you have anything to worry about.

Technical point: Even if others agree with you, you can still only speak on behalf of yourself.

People may share your beliefs or agree with you, up to the point where they no longer do. Unless they have explicitly given you a mandate to speak for them, you are not speaking for them.

The only deflection is to get this thread back to topic and not have the "99.99% is not 100%" nonsense flooding this discussion.

Well I'm enjoying the remaster. They could of done more work to AOD. (;

I looked this up, apparently the jiggle physics were bugged so they removed them as a fix. It seems like the case for missing content could be a case of an incomplete remaster rather than intentional. Unlike a remaster like Silent Hill which purposely changed content and self-inserted new character designs.

I watched a comparison video for AOD and in one section they've clearly enlarged another character's boobs. Do you do that if you're censoring a game? This doesn't justify missing content but it changes intent.