YARP!
Oh you Vaticanians, always with your reverse jokes!

I don't understand why it's so important if the game is fundamentally changed or just a bit. They censored it unnecessary even though they promised and explained in their disclaimer that they would not do this. If games should get bad reviews because of this it's neither the fault of the platform (GOG) nor the fault of the customer who rightfully complains that the publisher lied to their face. You really can't expect people to not complain about those things just because the publisher could stop bringing their games here. Treat customers nice and you'll get sales ... lie to them and (some) people might stop paying you for your actions - that's the way it has to be imo.

And just to clarify: everybody gets a second chance ... I did not say that I won't buy because I am a TR fan myself and in general I love the rematsered versions ... I am just waiting a bit now because of what happened the last time.

And if Der chronische Handspieler wishes to enjoy porongraphic video games that don't dance around the topics of objectifying women, wanton nudity, and even sex, then I've got an entire computer series that comes to mind:

The PC-98. You'll find no finer collection of absolutely turgid filth to be mongered there. A veritable pulsating hive of absolutely insectile activity there.

They "removed a (barely visible) nudie jacket" just screams of absolute desperation on the hand of someone whose palms haired so much that you'd wonder if they'd gotten surgical transplants from a shaggy Silverback gorilla.

Don't be ashamed that you like looking at butts, but there's a time and place for looking at butts, and video games need to be of a special mind about it. Being "coy" and indirect just leads to weird things, like the plague of ecchi & near ecchi that infests the Shounen genre of manga & anime. Less people are free to share, enjoy, and talk about it, becomes with an armful of caveats like, "Oh, watch out for Grape Kid", "Yeah, I'm sorry, Roshi is played as a pervert for laughs", The Sonic Fandom*, "Yeah, he's 26, and she's 14.", and so on.

It gives the entire ethos of Japanese animation a bad reputation when there are stunning works of absolute art such as Mushi-Shi.


*In the current established canon, there's maybe three whole characters within that are of age, and two of them are not conventionally attractive; one of them may not even mentally be an adult.


Sex is great. People need to be more artful about it; else you just end up with artless gutter trash like Duke Nukem Forever, and the transient nature of sex should be reciprocal between partners of any make and model.

You really don't understand the problem, do you?
If you think the problem has anything to do with nudity, sex or wanting to look at nude things in a TR game (and btw stop writing German if you don't know the language - it's embarrassing) you did not understand a thing. Maybe you should read the posts again and maybe you will understand the reason why censoring is bad ... always.

Let's see if they improved Angel of Darkness. Hopefully they didn't censor anything in these remasters.

According to several reviews I watched they did improve AOD but were unable to make a good game out of it. You still have the problem that TR was never meant to be an RPG (need to getting stronger shoehorned in) and you still have the problem that parts of the story are missing. They did however made curtis play different and you can use his weapon now. So yes, according to almost all reviews I watched it's the best AOD but at core it's still the same game.

Question to those who played it: Did they at least explained now how Lara survived? It was menat to be in AOD but was taken out because of time.

Tomb Raider originally had 8 pixels of nudity which nobody ever saw. Tomb Raider III originally had ca. 100 pixels of de-resed key art without nudity which nobody ever recognized back in the day. The developers of the Remasters (skillfully) redesigned the former as a proper pin up, and they (accidentally and temporarily) removed the latter.

Should have been the end of the story here were it not for some folks who devalue and trivialize the term "censorship" and abuse the review system here to the point that GOG might think of removing reviews altogether. The only thing they did achieve was to encourage the tiki torch and polo shirt mob to grab their pitchforks again over equally infinitisemal infractions in the future.

Now we see the odd patting of the backs and threats of a repeat performance by the boys who cried wolf in the village square. If you think they're making fun of you for taking the lame-o bait yet again, you're probably not wrong. Thankfully, there's only one ending to the boy who cried wolf story, and it doesn't change in the retelling.

I wonder who is trivializing the term censorship here ... but whatever. Fact is that they censored the first game even after they told in a disclaimer that they decided not to do so. This is not just about simple censoring, it is about lying to their customers and expecting them to continue to believe them. The reason I posted at all was just to point out that because of them having lied to me I will wait until I buy this one to make sure that they don't lie to me this time and to point out that it would not be this way if they would have been truthful to their customer the last time - that's all. I was only talking about myself and my decision and how I see this problematic. I did not call for a boycott and I did not curse at the devs ... I also never wrote any review good or bad.

Anyways - since this thread is not about the censoring of the old games but the actual game, I will leave this here since I think it's a pretty good comparision:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgfPD4hhyB8

Seriously, I saw in C64 games apples and peaches more in evidence than here on the back of this Windows game jacket. I'm very strict on avoiding censorship too, but here I couldn't care less. And I doubt it very hardly that this tiny thing would break any dams regarding censorship.

Also, I boycott games individually depending on the case. I ain't fixed on buying from the region I live in, and I found always different means to get what I want. Additionally, I'm using mods since ages. This helps too. I'm only punishing myself by forgoing. It happens nothing good but one does it, so I'm not completely relying on feel-good-releases if I can change anything on my side. I have GBs of folders with mods and patches that I feel necessary to have.

I very much sympathize with your view here. The degree of infraction is totally irrelevant, when we are talking about principles. Principles are principles - end of. You either adhere to them 100%, or you break them. And 99.999% is not 100%.

It's similar to those that will defend the inclusion of DRM-ed cosmetics because "well, it's just cosmetic ..."

"It's ok, they only lied a little bit ..."

Anyone noticed anything in regards to censorship yet?
For instance, I saw claims that jiggle physics of Lara's breasticles in AOD have been removed?

The problem with remastering AoD is that you'd need to develop the missing 60% of the game to make it good. That being said, if they can at least fix the broken controls then it'll be a much better way for people to access the game. Even if it's still not a "good" game. But that's just my opinion.

And there was missing a lot ...

lostmediaarchive.fandom.com/wiki/Tomb_Raider:_Angel_Of_Darkness_(Deleted_Content)

(Damn broken forum ;))

Try a wiki that isn't an advertising/spam platform disguised as a wiki.

I suggest TCRF: As seen here.

That is what I consider a lie. And I can back it up of course.

Fact is, they even left the fucking racist 'tribesmen' in TR3 intact and even updated the graphics, hence the extremely necessary disclaimer at the beginning and hopefully a huge bonus for the poor graphic designer tasked with recreating the fucking racist 'tribesmen'.

Fact is, Tomb Raider 1996 was rated PG-13. Hence, it didn't contain any visible nudity even by the standards of the American censors.

Now if a group of people demands putting nudity into a game that previously had none whatsoever, I call that group of people an insane cult. And that cult has no right to call others liars.

This isn't about conservation. It's indeed about gleeful destruction.

To be specific, it's about the upcoming Remasters of parts IV to VI, unreleased games, which makes your cries of the coming wolf, frankly, more than just a little misplaced.

No, I don't hate your guts. Your Dustborn review was even great, and I upvoted it. But until the torch and pitchfork mob finds "censorship" in the Remasters for parts IV to VI specifically (which, no spoiler, they absolutely will), maybe take that constant whining elsewhere.

Maybe you won't even be able to identify with whatever 'censorship' they're undoubtedly drawing out of their asses for parts IV to VI, have you considered that possibility? Maybe from your point of view, they're kind of putting point and click adventure games on your 30 fps Police shitlist.

Maybe you'll have your TotalBiscuit moment soon.