Marko, I think it's a misunderstanding. It's more like, the publisher submits a full, raw and explicit version to GOG, since GOG is not automatic like Steam, and has a vastly more manual process. Thereafter, GOG simply tells them directly which parts are the ones that needs to be patched up. So, it ends up sounding like an "additional edit" but it actually isn't. The game is no different from the Steam version. The "additional edits" just means the game has been "touched/altered" from the original, thus it's "additional".

This would in fact change things drastically for me. So the devs did not offer GOG the censored but the uncensored version which GOG could not sell here without any cuts because of the implicit content. It was my understanding that devs of visual novels with explicit content usually make two different versions and that they sell the censored version to other stores so it did not occur to me that they could have offered GOG the uncensored version in this case. If this would be the case it was in fact all a misunderstanding.

Exactly. Porn presents sexuality as something "dirty", selfish, and violent, and this is supposed to be liberating???

It's probably best to buy the uncensored version directly at MangaGamer:

https://www.mangagamer.com/detail.php?goods_type=1&product_code=1072

Or buy it here and apply the 18+ patch if that's your bag.

My issues stemmed from at the time the patch hadn't been updated for the full 1.00 release - it was still for the beta... the updated patch has seen no issues from me thus far (only played through one route so far but initial issue was in the prologue . 1st chapter of the game.

The fact that you automatically assume that porn is rooted in malevolence, makes it clear that you lack experience. As with traditional offerings, there is a spectrum of quality, genre, and presentation.


Anyhow, you are not considering the useful applications beyond fulfilling lust. For example: by trying out various types of porn, a person can figure out which gender(s) and activities they are attracted to. This knowledge would make it easier for them to eventually find the partner right for them.

Exactly. I will never understand people who think that violence and killing, i.e. the ending of life, is OK. But the creation of life, i.e. sex, is evil. That is a very twisted morality!

Two things:

Who said sex was evil?

I daresay that the portrayal of sex in this game has anything to do with the creation of life. It looks more like an exercise of power through sex.

I make no assumptions. Erotica per se isn't wicked or "sinful"; the people who produce and distribute pornography, however, are crude and misogynistic. Yes, there are exceptions, but they are few and far between.

I love pornography.

If that makes me an evil person fine, I'll just add it to the list. :P

Just for grins,here's the developer's website: http://sunrider-vn.com/

Try entering the site by putting in your age as a 17-year old whose 18th birthday is tomorrow. Seems even the developer feels there should be an age wall.

The moral guardians of the USA, for example. The portrayal of sex is something bad. Children have to be 'protected' from that. But killing people is completely fine. Violence is fun! A naked breast on Facebook has to be deleted. But clips from some action movie with people being badly wounded or killed - thats perfectly acceptable.

It even goes into the cartoon area. Cartoon violence ... well, that's not to be taken serious, is it? It's just fun! But cartoon sex? Oh no! How horrible! That has to be censored!

All in all a certain part of the US society seems to be very afraid of sex, but totally OK with violence (especially with gun-violence). And that is a very sick morality in my eyes.

You'd better get a firearm, tinyE. In case someone tries to take your pron away. ;p

Hmm, I can understand how one might come to that opinion. But I don't look at the two - sex and violence - as being anywhere near the same thing in our lives.

Here's why I think it's different: you're going to get laid, but you're not going to kill someone. If we want our kids to grow up with a decent sexual foundation, I don't think it's a good idea for them to learn from "gonzo" videos, unrealistic cartoon sex, games where the goal is to use sex to control others, and any other number of sources that focus on degradation, power and control, and the money shot. And especially at a point in their lives when the body and mind are undergoing sexual changes and are most open to outside influences.

The same doesn't happen with violence. There is no puberty for murderous thoughts. The typical 15-year old guy might get a boner for no particular reason, but he's not going to get this daily urge to beat the crap out of someone just for kicks. Violent media isn't going to have the same effect on him because his body changes aren't focused on that thing, whereas those changes with adolescence are highly focused on sexual maturity.

In other words, I don't think that violence in media is creating any more unrealistic expectations in that regard as, say, space movies are giving us unrealistic expectations about, well, outer space. Mostly because we're not going to be murderers, and we're not going into outer space. But we are most likely going to get lucky. Hopefully with someone we love and care for. Hopefully many times. And hopefully the kids won't be emulating those things they see in much of this commercial content, at least not before putting that content in proper perspective. Given that puberty is such a messed-up time already, it's altogether possible that the wrong content can damage one's long-term love and sex life by creating unhealthy expectations.

Anyway, that's a long way of saying that violent media can have a negative influence on something you're not going to ever do, whereas sexual content media can have a negative influence on something you'll hopefully be doing many times over the course of your life. So I'd prefer to make a little bit higher hurdle for our kids to consume the types of commercial pornography that dominate the industry these days.

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Does anyone else think this release thread got kinda weird?

A new Shining game from Sega? Yay!

Oooooo it's a different type of Shining game...