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Having its roots in 1997 and developed in Ukraine, Chasm: The Rift is one of the most thrilling and innovative FPS from this era and the first Eastern European boomer shooter ever made.

Now this absolute classic is available on GOG with 10% launch discount that lasts until October 17th, 7 PM UTC! Prepare for terror in this ground-breaking title where in the following of the destruction of Time you are left to battle in this horrific hellhole of multilevel interconnected missions populated by gruesome grotesque creatures.

And if you want to see and learn more about this heart-pounding adventure make sure to check out our GOG stream, where Kilg0re_Tr0ut - someone who knows the game in and out - will stream Chasm: The Rift at 10 PM UTC.
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gamefood: Of course I disproved amok's thesis with the information that was in my reach.
No you didn't. A few people posting in a forum is completely meaningless and has no bearing on reality, so you didn't prove or disprove anything. Looks like you need to take an "introduction to statistics" course since you don't understand how any of this works.
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eric5h5: has no bearing on reality,
Maybe it does in their reality ?... ;-)
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Timboli: Well it is an INSTANT NOT BUY for me, and I love the game.

I would maybe have stretched to $14 AUD, only because it has the original version included, but $26 AUD is way outside of a fair price. Clearly the pricing is based on what they think they can get away with.

I guess I will now have to wait a couple of years ... very disappointing.

An old game is an old game, even when you revamp it. So it should start off at an appropriate price, then of course we naturally pay a bit more for the revamp work. But no way is revamp work the same as creating a game, and the price should reflect that.
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amok: the correct price point is the one where most people are willing to pay for it. if people are willing to pay this amount of money, then there is no reason for the publisher to ask for less until saturation, and it no longer sells. then it is time for bringing the price down with sales. there is nothing else that needs "reflecting" in a price point except what people are willing to pay. for you yourself, you have made the decision that the game is not worth that much for you (others have deemed it worthwhile) and as you have taken that decision just have to wait until the price is at a point you are willing to pay. this is captitalism 1-0-1
Logic.

Hello again.
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gamefood: Really? ...
Yep. This one has moved up about 200 places since I posted that, though.
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amok: to add to your intersting statistics. do you think that the people who bought it, just bought it without telling the world? and do you think that the people who think the price point was to high would complain? do you think there may be a form of bias here that makes this completely invalid?
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gamefood: I just disproved your thesis with the information that I got, that's all.
When I look out of the window, I see no curvature. I have just disproven the "thesis" that the earth is a globe based on the information I got.
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Timboli: [...]
We, all of us, need to encourage fair pricing. That's if you care for others beyond yourself and your affluence.
the problem is that what is seen as a fair price is personal and subjective. I think the asking price here is a fair price, you do not. so now what?
Post edited October 15, 2022 by amok
Can't we just disregard the posts of gamefood? Responding to them does nothing but derail the thread further and further and they obviously can't be reasoned with.
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amok: the problem is that what is seen as a fair price is personal and subjective. I think the asking price here is a fair price, you do not. so now what?
That is where I at least, think you are wrong.

A fair price should be based on facts ... old game, what's it worth, how much work was done to it, expenditure etc. You can add projected sales in too, but only to a point.

You can look at an old game, and say it is worth X amount based on other similar old games. It's also had its time, and now it is getting a bonus extra moment in the limelight. How much time and money has been spent on researching the game, playing it over and over, checking things, and maybe doing some creation, tweaking things a bit perhaps, but mostly doing paint-by-numbers stuff like replacing textures etc.

What is subjective and personal, is what each of us are prepared to pay. And that of course differs, mostly due to affluence and what each might think something is worth. What is false, but some get fooled by it, is seeming rarity, and the silly notion we should pay more for that, especially in a digital context ... rarity is arbitrary, a decision made by someone, and nothing to do with impossible to duplicate or get further copies of.
Post edited October 15, 2022 by Timboli
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amok: the problem is that what is seen as a fair price is personal and subjective. I think the asking price here is a fair price, you do not. so now what?
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Timboli: That is where I at least, think you are wrong.

A fair price should be based on facts ... old game, what's it worth, how much work was done to it, expenditure etc. You can add projected sales in too, but only to a point.

You can look at an old game, and say it is worth X amount based on other similar old games. It's also had its time, and now it is getting a bonus extra moment in the limelight. How much time and money has been spent on researching the game, playing it over and over, checking things, and maybe doing some creation, tweaking things a bit perhaps, but mostly doing paint-by-numbers stuff like replacing textures etc.
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you do realise that this is only your personal opinion of what the "worth" of a project should be? does it apply to everything? or only games?

and based on your list here - what is the "worth" of Chasm: The Rift? And how did you calculate it?
After installing patched version all artifacts gone.
Chasm: The Rift! Digitally available for the first time since 1997!! And on GOG!?!

Finally!!!

:D

Seriously thou, I still can't quite believe it. After waiting all these years, and then suddenly literally out of nowhere... here it is! hehe.
I know, I know... I've probably shown my interest in this game a "few" times already, but it's just that Chasm: The Rift was, is, and (most likely) will always be very special to me, so aye... I can't help myself. xD

Anyway, once again (and for the last, I promise lol) I'm seriously thankful to finally be able to own a digital copy of this occult classic. Even more so after learning that this is a remaster (of sorts at least) and that the original is included! As well as the add-on!! And the level editor is acessible too!!! (So I've read, at least)

Again, to everyone involved, I'm eternally grateful!

Дякую!
Post edited October 16, 2022 by Waganari
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amok: you do realise that this is only your personal opinion of what the "worth" of a project should be? does it apply to everything? or only games?

and based on your list here - what is the "worth" of Chasm: The Rift? And how did you calculate it?
Like I said, based on facts, and of course it is only going to be a rough estimate, but we should be in the ball park.

We of course, haven't been told specifically what was done to the revamped version of the game, so we are left to our own devices and the use of logic etc, all of which I listed.

Once again, it isn't an exact science without all the facts, but we would be dealing with the facts as we can estimate them, and can be fairly objective with the result.

I have already mentioned I like the game, have completed the original version, and that I would have been prepared to pay up to $14 AUD. That's my subjective price, which would be less if I had never played the game and did not like it as much as I do. Using logic to estimate the fair price, I think it is worth a few dollars less than my subjective price, and certainly nowhere near $26 AUD.

Ask yourself, what have THEY done to the game to make it better, and that warrants paying $26 AUD. From all I have read, it is still essentially the same game, just a bit nicer looking etc. What would we be paying the extra for, and how much work was that?
Post edited October 18, 2022 by Timboli
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amok: you do realise that this is only your personal opinion of what the "worth" of a project should be? does it apply to everything? or only games?

and based on your list here - what is the "worth" of Chasm: The Rift? And how did you calculate it?
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Timboli: Like I said, based on facts, and of course it is only going to be a rough estimate, but we should be in the ball park.

We of course, haven't been told specifically what was done to the revamped version of the game, so we are left to our own devices and the use of logic etc, all of which I listed.

Once again, it isn't an exact science without all the facts, but we would be dealing with the facts as we can estimate them, and can be fairly objective with the result.

I have already mentioned I like the game, have completed the original version, and that I would have been prepared to pay up to $14 AUD. That's my subjective price, which would be less if I had never played the game and did not like it as much as I do. Using logic to estimate the fair price, I think it is worth a few dollars less than my subjective price, and certainly nowhere near $26 AUD.

Ask yourself, what have THEY done to the game to make it better, and that warrants paying $26 AUD. From all I have read, it is still essentially the same game, just a bit nicer looking etc. What would we be paying the extra for, and how much work was that?
Shadowing, higher resolutions, native port for modern computers, much better framerate. The original one is abysmal framerate wise, (One of those games running uncomfortable under DOSBOX) And also they add the original version but fine tunned, running under DOSBOX.

Of course they have touched the game. But if you ask me, the price every person is willing to pay for a game is subjective and personal. Indeed, And obviously legit.
Post edited October 18, 2022 by Gudadantza
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amok: you do realise that this is only your personal opinion of what the "worth" of a project should be? does it apply to everything? or only games?

and based on your list here - what is the "worth" of Chasm: The Rift? And how did you calculate it?
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Timboli: Like I said, based on facts, and of course it is only going to be a rough estimate, but we should be in the ball park. [...]
Yes, indeeed. those metrics are objective facts, but the extent that you think they should count towards any "worth" of a game is subjective.

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Timboli: [...] Ask yourself, what have THEY done to the game to make it better, and that warrants paying $26 AUD. From all I have read, it is still essentially the same game, just a bit nicer looking etc. What would we be paying the extra for, and how much work was that?
so what I get out of this - if they just re-sold the game without any tweaks, then it should be free.
Post edited October 18, 2022 by amok
Before buying the game, I advise you to read this article - The remake of the Ukrainian shooter Chasm: The Rift turned out to be not a Ukrainian game at all and information about the game Developers - Action Forms (Ukrainian Company that made original Chasm The Rift - 1997) on Wikipedia - https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_Forms (Ukrainian version - if need - translate it, because English version is too clean of interesting details) to understand why you should not buy the remaster that is available in Gog store (or other digital stores), but rather play its completely free legal version, which can be found on the Internet. I won't publish any links, because mad Gog moderators and some of their puppets - "looser users" will run in and delete everything they see like they did a lot of times.
I remember playing the game. That was so long time ago, but even today I remember most of the weapons and monsters in the game. Unfortunately, Remaster (or maybe ?Remake?) is not made by the same Ukrainian Team (Action Forms) that was behind the original game development and it will not receive any money if users will buy Remaster. For that reason, I do not recommend buying Chasm The Rift Remaster in any digital store. My point and my opinion are clear enough to understand, I hope.