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Having its roots in 1997 and developed in Ukraine, Chasm: The Rift is one of the most thrilling and innovative FPS from this era and the first Eastern European boomer shooter ever made.

Now this absolute classic is available on GOG with 10% launch discount that lasts until October 17th, 7 PM UTC! Prepare for terror in this ground-breaking title where in the following of the destruction of Time you are left to battle in this horrific hellhole of multilevel interconnected missions populated by gruesome grotesque creatures.

And if you want to see and learn more about this heart-pounding adventure make sure to check out our GOG stream, where Kilg0re_Tr0ut - someone who knows the game in and out - will stream Chasm: The Rift at 10 PM UTC.
I'm also not a fan of "boomer shooter" term, for me it sounds stupid and unappealing. If I must to label that sort of games for whatever reason I would go for "retro FPS", "old school shooter" or something like that.
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amok: the correct price point is the one where most people are willing to pay for it. if people are willing to pay this amount of money, then there is no reason for the publisher to ask for less until saturation, and it no longer sells. then it is time for bringing the price down with sales. there is nothing else that needs "reflecting" in a price point except what people are willing to pay. for you yourself, you have made the decision that the game is not worth that much for you (others have deemed it worthwhile) and as you have taken that decision just have to wait until the price is at a point you are willing to pay. this is captitalism 1-0-1
And you are telling me that why?

There are different types or levels of Capitalism, and it isn't a valid excuse to overcharge.

The correct price point is a fair one.

Sure there will always be those who will be willing to pay too much, either because they have so much money they don't care or those who cannot really afford but just have to have it ... a weakness that is unethically taken advantage of.

Decent gaming folk should not encourage such pricing, end of story. Be strong, be patient, and send the right message to sellers. We are where we are now, because that hasn't been done, and Capitalism in some sectors has been allowed to go feral and rampant.
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SpellSword: Does this release of Chasm: The Rift include the official addon pack?
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WinterSnowfall: Yes, the addon is there on both the original (DOSBoxed) game and the "remaster".
Thank you for the information.
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amok: the correct price point is the one where most people are willing to pay for it. if people are willing to pay this amount of money, then there is no reason for the publisher to ask for less until saturation, and it no longer sells. then it is time for bringing the price down with sales. there is nothing else that needs "reflecting" in a price point except what people are willing to pay. for you yourself, you have made the decision that the game is not worth that much for you (others have deemed it worthwhile) and as you have taken that decision just have to wait until the price is at a point you are willing to pay. this is captitalism 1-0-1
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Timboli: And you are telling me that why?

There are different types or levels of Capitalism, and it isn't a valid excuse to overcharge.

The correct price point is a fair one.

Sure there will always be those who will be willing to pay too much, either because they have so much money they don't care or those who cannot really afford but just have to have it ... a weakness that is unethically taken advantage of.

Decent gaming folk should not encourage such pricing, end of story. Be strong, be patient, and send the right message to sellers. We are where we are now, because that hasn't been done, and Capitalism in some sectors has been allowed to go feral and rampant.
good luck with that
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amok: the correct price point is the one where most people are willing to pay for it.
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And now for a bit funny statistics:
I just counted the posts in this thread and categorized them in votes of "Pro" and "Contra" concerning buying the game at this prize (nearly 20€ respectively 18.02€ with 10% release discount).
Pro means the user has no problem with the prize or at least the game is worth its price. Such posts I counted as "Buy".
Contra means the user criticizes the prize, I counted such posts as a "No buy".
So far I counted:

Pro: 6 votes / buyers
Contra: 14 votes / non-buyers (including me)

So, that makes that most people (70%) are not willing to pay the announced price and following your (fully true) thesis one can say: It's not the correct price.
Post edited October 13, 2022 by gamefood
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DoomSooth: SNEG is made up of former GOG employees, isn't it?
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Swedrami: Yep, mostly ex-GoG staffers, with their HQ located in England, if I remember correctly.
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Here's hoping SNEG are already at work securing the rights for Cryostasis next.
Wish they had a way to contact them, can't find a website or anything.

I wonder if JudasIscariot went with them or just left altogether, haven't seen him post in a while.
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gamefood: So, that makes that most people (70%) are not willing to pay the announced price and following your (fully true) thesis one can say: It's not the correct price.
That's not even vaguely a representative sample, and it's meaningless anyway. What actually counts is what people do, not what some malcontents post on forums, and you have no idea whatsoever what their sales are. Most of the other remastered old shooters are $20, as I pointed out, and have been priced like that for years. So it's clearly and objectively the correct price for the devs, or else they'd have changed it by now.
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amok: the correct price point is the one where most people are willing to pay for it.
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gamefood: And now for a bit funny statistics:
I just counted the posts in this thread and categorized them in votes of "Pro" and "Contra" concerning buying the game at this prize (nearly 20€ respectively 18.02€ with 10% release discount).
Pro means the user has no problem with the prize or at least the game is worth its price. Such posts I counted as "Buy".
Contra means the user criticizes the prize, I counted such posts as a "No buy".
So far I counted:

Pro: 6 votes / buyers
Contra: 14 votes / non-buyers (including me)

So, that makes that most people (70%) are not willing to pay the announced price and following your (fully true) thesis one can say: It's not the correct price.
to add to your intersting statistics. do you think that the people who bought it, just bought it without telling the world? and do you think that the people who think the price point was to high would complain? do you think there may be a form of bias here that makes this completely invalid?
Post edited October 13, 2022 by amok
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amok: the correct price point is the one where most people are willing to pay for it.
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gamefood: And now for a bit funny statistics:
I just counted the posts in this thread and categorized them in votes of "Pro" and "Contra" concerning buying the game at this prize (nearly 20€ respectively 18.02€ with 10% release discount).
Pro means the user has no problem with the prize or at least the game is worth its price. Such posts I counted as "Buy".
Contra means the user criticizes the prize, I counted such posts as a "No buy".
So far I counted:

Pro: 6 votes / buyers
Contra: 14 votes / non-buyers (including me)

So, that makes that most people (70%) are not willing to pay the announced price and following your (fully true) thesis one can say: It's not the correct price.
Honestly, that says nothing. It only means that people who are not happy with the price like to vent in forums.
Those who just bought it probably don't feel the need to announce that. So without actual sales data, any analytics are pointless. I can understand if the game's to expensive for some, but I can also see the work that went into this. So I bought it without a second thought. Being finally able to play this legally and without hackery. Hell yes! So add that to your calculation - for whatever it is worth. But as I said, I can understand that it IS expensive and if you are not willing to pay the price, that's your decision and a valid one.
Either way, I am sure the next sale is just around the corner, because that is in fact for sure: Sales happen all the time.
Post edited October 13, 2022 by 8BitChris
Chasm is 2,777th in bestselling of all time out of 6,952. Seems like a "Buy" to me.

Oops. I was looking at the wrong Chasm. Still seems like a buy to me, especially since I bought it. :)
Post edited October 14, 2022 by DoomSooth
I believe in thinking about the impact a price has on others, so I actively discourage high pricing and encourage fair pricing.

Of course there are a good number of folk in this world with plenty of money, such that their sense of value is very different to that of the majority, who have far less money.
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8BitChris: ... but I can also see the work that went into this. So I bought it without a second thought.
But can you really know exactly what work was involved, and compare that to creating a game from the ground up. And never forget, this is an old game, that has been polished a bit. How much is fair to pay for polishing?

It seems a pretty steep price to me, going by what was likely done to the revamped version.

The price feels more like a company trying to milk the game for whatever they can get away with, and nothing at all to do with being a fair price.

We, all of us, need to encourage fair pricing. That's if you care for others beyond yourself and your affluence.
Post edited October 13, 2022 by Timboli
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8BitChris: ... but I can also see the work that went into this. So I bought it without a second thought.
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Timboli: But can you really know exactly what work was involved, and compare that to creating a game from the ground up. And never forget, this is an old game, that has been polished a bit. How much is fair to pay for polishing?

It seems a pretty steep price to me, going by what was likely done to the revamped version.

The price feels more like a company trying to milk the game for whatever they can get away with, and nothing at all to do with being a fair price.

We, all of us, need to encourage fair pricing. That's if you care for others beyond yourself and your affluence.
Technically, no I cannot. I am going by experience of a developer and one who worked a decade on a source port for Descent 1 & 2 - one I DID have the source to - which was not the case here from what I could gather. I also did play Chasm: Portable which was excellent, but especially in 640x480 it didn't run even remotely as smoothly as the DOSBox version which is included as an extra here. And I have no idea how complicated it was to solve the licensing situation of this game, but it couldn't have been easy considering this is - from what I know - the first official digital re-release of the game.
So all these things considered, I can understand the pricing. But as I said before, I can also understand if it's too much for some - especially these days.
Post edited October 13, 2022 by 8BitChris
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gamefood: And now for a bit funny statistics:
I just counted the posts in this thread and categorized them in votes of "Pro" and "Contra" concerning buying the game at this prize (nearly 20€ respectively 18.02€ with 10% release discount).
Pro means the user has no problem with the prize or at least the game is worth its price. Such posts I counted as "Buy".
Contra means the user criticizes the prize, I counted such posts as a "No buy".
So far I counted:

Pro: 6 votes / buyers
Contra: 14 votes / non-buyers (including me)

So, that makes that most people (70%) are not willing to pay the announced price and following your (fully true) thesis one can say: It's not the correct price.
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amok: to add to your intersting statistics. do you think that the people who bought it, just bought it without telling the world? and do you think that the people who think the price point was to high would complain? do you think there may be a form of bias here that makes this completely invalid?
I just disproved your thesis with the information that I got, that's all.

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DoomSooth: Chasm is 2,777th in bestselling of all time out of 6,952. Seems like a "Buy" to me.
Link to the source please.
Post edited October 14, 2022 by gamefood
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amok: to add to your intersting statistics. do you think that the people who bought it, just bought it without telling the world? and do you think that the people who think the price point was to high would complain? do you think there may be a form of bias here that makes this completely invalid?
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gamefood: I just disproved your thesis with the information that I got, that's all.

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DoomSooth: Chasm is 2,777th in bestselling of all time out of 6,952. Seems like a "Buy" to me.
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gamefood: Link to the source please.
You didn´t disprove anything, since you don´t have relevant data, that small fraction of people who actually bought the game AND wrote something about price is irrelevant, just as the "statistic" itself, as amok politely tried to tell you.
Post edited October 14, 2022 by Tarhiel
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Tarhiel: You didn´t disprove anything, since you don´t have relevant data, that small fraction of people who actually bought the game AND wrote something about price is irrelevant, just as the "statistic" itself, as amok politely tried to tell you.
It's like I wrote and you won't change anything about that.

Of course I disproved amok's thesis with the information that was in my reach. But also: of course they're not relevant or official. WHO alleged that? Me not. Read what's written, not what you make it in your head.
I can't see through walls or see any (for you) "relevant" invisible data, and so can't you or amok or who else.
That's how statistics work, just for the case you don't know that Tarhiel: You get the information that you get with the way you gather them... and then you make charts and numbers out of it. No?*
Again: That's all. I didn't make anything else.

*) If "No": Then you have to admit that NO statistics can be relevant for anyone or anything...

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DoomSooth: Oops. I was looking at the wrong Chasm.
Really? ...
Post edited October 15, 2022 by gamefood