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Breja! We vary on what we overlap in our likings and at odds, as you know. I'm here to recommend PS:T to you. STRONGLY. I think the roughness of the beginning is just kind of becoming familiar with it all. It's not something to "trudge through" to get to the good parts by any means, it's just like many games where you just aren't familiar when you start and so there's just a "feeling out" period. I find PS:Ts "feeling out period" to be more solid than most games and the mortuary sets the game up WONDERFULLY. It has lots of dialogue, easy you into all the mechanics, and acts as a tutorial sort of area. To me the game starts out strong and gets better and better and better. One thing to know is that you should talk to EVERY SINGLE ZOMBIE on the 1st floor. They are all unique. Don't treat it as other IE games where "generically named mob" is generic. CLICK ON EVERYONE. Maybe you'd have more fun if you read a bit of a walkthrough to get some ideas, and then played at it on your own.

I don't know.

*says everything I can to get you to play PS:T*

Whenever we sit down to argue our way through a list of the best games, our first step is deciding what “best” even means. In this case, we’re identifying which RPGs are fun right now. Games age; they’re products of the technology they were built on, and the technology that seemed cutting edge 25 years ago may be junk today.
Mmmm...so they don't know what they're talking about and we can comfortably ignore this list. Woohoo!
Post edited December 20, 2015 by andysheets1975
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Yeah, not many characters in PS:T feel generic, they are usually unique and at certain times in certain parts of town you meet characters telling you hilarious things, one made me laugh real hard.
Found it in English: http://i.imgur.com/Z9oWZWT.png

The dialogues with Dak'kon are incredible too (if you got a high wisdom level).

Unfortunately, I had to abort my former playthrough due to technical problems with the widescreen hack, those are solved a long time ago though and I hope to start another run after "Banner Saga".

I've heard, that you can finish the game without applying physical violence at all, is this true?
Words are a powerful thing in this game for sure.
Post edited December 20, 2015 by Klumpen0815
Well, at least Dark Souls didn't win best PC RPG of all time on this list. That's always something.

It did on this abomination of a list: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/07/10/best-rpg/
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jepsen1977: Well, at least Dark Souls didn't win best PC RPG of all time on this list. That's always something.

It did on this abomination of a list: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/07/10/best-rpg/
Just don't click on links to Rockpapershotgun or Kotaku, problem solved.
One shouldn't give those corrupt idiots clicks (=money) anyway.
Post edited December 20, 2015 by Klumpen0815
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Klumpen0815: I've heard, that you can finish the game without applying physical violence at all, is this true?
It is necessary to kill the zombie at the beginning in the first room to progress. Aside from that, possibly no more killing needed (but probably a lot of running away).

I don't get the dislike Dark Souls gets sometimes. Admittedly, I don't have the personal connection with the game that many do, but I acknowledge its quality enough that I can understand that within the bounds of personal taste, it can become "best" for some people.
Post edited December 20, 2015 by babark
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jepsen1977: Well, at least Dark Souls didn't win best PC RPG of all time on this list. That's always something.

It did on this abomination of a list: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/07/10/best-rpg/
I really dont like Dark Souls because of awful graphich, terrible controls, boring fights and GFWL. I understand many people like it, and I understand why it is in the toplists..... but it is definitely not the best RPG of all time.

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BTW if it is a top 50 list, Kingdoms of Amalur and Sacred should be there :P
Post edited December 20, 2015 by bela555
As much as the top three might be agreeable, the rest feels like a list of games that readers are going to be expecting them to include.

For instance, why are System Shock 2, Torchlight 2 and Diablo 3 even included in a list of RPGs? I know 'action RPG' includes 'RPG' in the description. But they're totally different games that borrow mechanics from RPGs.

Kind of like how borrowing car parts to make a bike doesn't make it a car.
Post edited December 20, 2015 by Navagon
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Navagon: As much as the top three might be agreeable, the rest feels like a list of games that readers are going to be expecting them to include.

For instance, why are System Shock 2, Torchlight 2 and Diablo 3 even included in a list of RPGs? I know 'action RPG' includes 'RPG' in the description. But they're totally different games that borrow mechanics from RPGs.

Kind of like how if you borrow car parts to make a bike doesn't make it a car.
Yeah, Inquisitor and Heretic Kingdoms have way more reasons to be in this list than those Hack'n'Slays.
A list of best RPGs could rather use those, both Gothics, both Fallouts, The Fall: Last Days of Gaia, etc... maybe even Gothic 3, heck even Ultima 9 is more worthy of this list.
But being one for whom Inquisitor needs to be in the top three, I'm not the usual audience anyway, I guess.

Seeing the choices in this list, I'm actually amazed that there are good titles in the top ranks.
Post edited December 20, 2015 by Klumpen0815
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jepsen1977: Well, at least Dark Souls didn't win best PC RPG of all time on this list. That's always something.

It did on this abomination of a list: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/07/10/best-rpg/
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Klumpen0815: Just don't click on links to Rockpapershotgun or Kotaku, problem solved.
One shouldn't give those corrupt idiots clicks (=money) anway.
Shit I forgot about that but yes, you are correct RPS is a joke.

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jepsen1977: Well, at least Dark Souls didn't win best PC RPG of all time on this list. That's always something.

It did on this abomination of a list: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/07/10/best-rpg/
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bela555: I really dont like Dark Souls because of awful graphich, terrible controls, boring fights and GFWL. I understand many people like it, and I understand why it is in the toplists..... but it is definitely not the best RPG of all time.

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BTW if it is a top 50 list, Kingdoms of Amalur and Sacred should be there :P
Well, the game no longer uses GfWL and the controls are good with a gamepad but yes, DS should never win any lBest of PC RPG list.
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jepsen1977: Well, at least Dark Souls didn't win best PC RPG of all time on this list. That's always something.

It did on this abomination of a list: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/07/10/best-rpg/
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bela555: I really dont like Dark Souls because of awful graphich, terrible controls, boring fights and GFWL. I understand many people like it, and I understand why it is in the toplists..... but it is definitely not the best RPG of all time.

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BTW if it is a top 50 list, Kingdoms of Amalur and Sacred should be there :P
I hear you. Ds is awful in every respect on the pc. Even a ton of mods didn't make it good. But there are a fair few of these games which everyone raves about and defends to the death.