OK, someone explain this to me... If AMD really are about to release a new "mainstream" GPU, which roughly equals the performance of a GTX 980... Why would they sell it at a $200 price point?

Of course you want to undercut the competition, but you also want to maximize profits. Currently the 980 still goes for easily 2-3 times as much as $200, so if the new AMD GPU rivals its performance, why would they possibly offer it at such a discount? Is all of this ( price and performance ) mostly just rumors and wishful thinking, or what?

Sorry I didnt read that. Rx 480 is not disclosed enough. There are not comparison videos, or comparison benchmarks on 20 different sites so you can compare performance/price. I think with someone like the OP who isnt savvy, and wont use google to compare items by looking at actual sites that compare them. They are better off going to alienware, or a computer shop and pay more than it would cost to do it themselves. Because doing it on forums, always, and i do mean always, ends up with some people ragging on each other, and it may benefit the OP, but it frustrates the people in the thread who want to help.

Sure the new amd cards might be great, but for the next gen games, you will need more gpu than an fx 6300 or even an 8350 can push. Shadow of mordor recommends an 8350 and its from 2014. The 7770 isnt bad, nor is the 6300 for that matter, they can play some stuff. But a 200 upgrade isnt going to be enough for that pc. And idc what you put in it, its not going to give you the performance gains you want for a mere 200 dollars. Unless its the amd polaris cards, in which case, you most likely need to upgrade the cpu/mb/ram asap after that, which means you are looking at say 450 give or take for that.

So, good luck, i wont continue to try to help someone who doesnt want help.

Nope. It's what AMD presented two days ago (said yesterday in my earlier post - sorry for that): http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/05/amd-rx-480-polaris-release-date-price-specs/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3077432/components-graphics/polaris-confirmed-amds-200-radeon-card-will-bring-high-end-graphics-to-the-masses.html
FTFY -.-

Let's wait and see, but that does look very appealing. But if what they say about the price point and performance is true, then mostly I feel sorry for anyone who bought a "high-end" card within the last year or so, when you can soon get the same ( or similar ) performance for a fraction of the cost.

Yup. As a "real" high end user (980 Ti, Titan, TitanX) you get used to see newer, faster and more expensive cards every year. But people with an average income who saved enough money to get themselves an "awesome" high end GTX 970, 980 or AMD Fury... Well... They got fucked pretty badly :( I can't remember any new GPU generation that offered last gen high end performance at an low mid range price. Top end of mid range (~ $350), yes, that's normal. But not for $200. Yes, AMD announced that they want to sell VR capable GPUs very cheap. But this? No one expected this! $200 is quite a shocking price. AMD just made their whole portfolio of GPUs obsolete. Except the Fury X. Nvidia made this one obsolete with the 1070 ;)

Comming from game debate. Recommended power supply for amd rx 480

Power Consumption
With a rated board TDP of 120W, it requires at least a 450W PSU with one available 6-pin connector.

And there is that put to rest.

Also the cpu match suggestions are as follows.

Intel Xeon E5-4640
AMD Opteron 6276
Intel Xeon E3-1231 v3
Intel Xeon E3-1245 v3
AMD FX-9590

So, you may be able to use it, but it would still be in the OP best interest to just wait and save enough money to replace a good chunk of parts, and it will give the new gen time to settle in price maybe a little. Also it may give zen time to come to the market giving them a good alternative to an intel processor.

I said I was done, but you know, curiosity made me check what recommended matches for it are.

Is that another reply to my postings? If yes: Just show me the part where I recommended Crackpot to get a RX 480. Do it. Please.

Meanwhile, I'll quote some of my earlier postings:
That was my initial post with my recommendation. And then there was my "discussion" with you:
Learn to read -.-

Still not reading anything you post. I dont like you. But the OP could buy it for 200 new. Or wait to get other parts to match it and possibly get it at a cheaper price. Could be a nice performance bump from the 7770, but that all depends on if the psu wont be an issue. The cpu would only really be an issue on cpu bound games, and isnt really that bad, its passable. But the psu is something the OP should look into.

I was not replying to you in any way shape or form. I would rather pretend you aren't still trying to continue this forum flame fest. But, thats just how people are on the internet, and generally why I avoid forums at all costs. Because trolls always drag me into discussions like this, where it just gets dragged on and on like a high school fight where all the kids are shouting for the 2 to fight and the 2 are just mouthing off to each other.

Let me clarify something for you here, im 35, and im not wasting any more time after replying to you this last time. Grow up. If you talk down to someone the first time you talk to them, whether it be on text, forum, internet voice, or in person. You are not making yourself look good, nor are you going to make friends that way. We both want to help the OP. But the OP has such a limited budget, and the market is right at this moment, between next and current gen. Amd gpu/cpu and nvidia gpu are all comming this year. And it could be worth it to the OP to wait and save until they are all released, and then make an informed decision then, instead of spit balling with a bunch of random people who may have no business giving tech advice on a forum that isnt even a tech forum with real tech professionals giving advice. That is all. Good day.

This, for one thing, isn't true. For example the benchmarks on TechSpot for The Division show that moving from a 960 to a 970 would up frame rate at 1080p from a minimum of 36 fps to a minimum of 61 fps, while CPU is hardly a bottleneck.

But even if you were to assume that the fx 6300 is the bottleneck, what if Crackpot.756's monitor croaks and he decides to buy an 1440p one? The 960 will not handle that resolution while a 970 class card will.

Matching bottlenecks isn't a sound strategy, especially when all that's needed to solve that bottleneck is waiting a little. AMD will release the RX 480 soon, NVIDIA will reciprocate with a 1060, and the performance jump will be enormous compared to the 960.

Uhh guys... I didn't read through all of the posts, but noone told him Polaris and Pascal are here? Just get RX480 (150W) when it comes out for ~~~199$
It will outperform 960 and R9 380 (that's for sure) and for this price it can only get better.
Release date is June 24th I believe.
Or if you want a GTX then go with 1060 (That's not been announced yet and might be released in the fall).

As of now talking about 960 970 and 380 is trying to get him to buy your used GPUs that you desperately try to sell?
I'd understand that a few days ago... but you can't make that excuse now and if you're "savvy" as someone in this thread said it's your bad will to propose these cards.

Only yesterday at my native AMD fanpage on facebook there was a guy crying he just bought 380 - which is by all means a good card, but they just announced new generation so come on... someone gave him an advice like that o.O

He needs a better PSU anyway if he wants to upgrade. There might be 1050 and 470 some day, but they'll probably be at least 100W (I doubt it's that low)

Edit:
I know he doesn't want to upgrade the PSU, but as of now there is no upgrade that's common sense withouth upgrading it. - My opinion.

Pretty much everyone told him that.

Yeah, but they didn't run the benchmark with a FX-6300, did they? The one I see was a GPU benchmark done with a pretty beefy i7 6700k, which won't be in the way of any GPU setup (throw two 980 Ti or 1080 at it and it'll still be fine). You'll have to look up CPU benchmarks to see how a CPU can limit a GPU.

Generally, a better GPU will always give you more fps, no matter how weak your CPU is. That's because whatever the GPU does: it'll be doing it faster than a weaker one. But there's stuff where the GPU needs the help of the CPU. And if the GPU is way more powerful than the CPU, it'll have to wait for the CPU to get it's part of the job done, sitting there, doing nothing.

Have a look at this CPU benchmark of Star Wars Battlefront. A 980 Ti will run the game @110 fps if you run it together with an i7 6700k. If you have a FX-6350 (a tiny, tiny, tiny bit faster than the 6300), you'll only get 88 frames per second out of a 980 Ti. That's 20% less! The CPU is limiting the GPU heavily here. Of course you'll still have more fps as you'd get with a slower card, but... It's pretty much a waste of money. You'd be better off if you get a 980 (non-Ti), take the money you've just saved (up to $200, depending on the GPU brand) and get a FX-9590 (same socket, but pretty energy hungry) for $220. You'll probaly get the same fps, but have an overall better system.

But that's not what Crackpot wants. She doesn't plan to change the PSU (which would be necessary for a FX-9590 since it needs 220W under load!!!), get a new $200+ CPU and a $400+ GPU. She just wants a feasible, economic GPU upgrade. The RX 480 would be a good choice, but it'll already be limited by the CPU (~15%), if AMD's 980 comparison is correct. And it'll cost around Euro 230 (estimated price for Germany, including taxes), which is still a lot of money (even if it's ridiculously cheap for such a beefy GPU). That's why I'd probably choose AMD's GPU that'll be just one step behind the RX 480. Maybe it'll still be limited by the CPU, but probably just by ~5%, which is barely noticable.

In my case, the RX 480 pretty much hits the sweet spot of what my i5 2500k can handle. Everything above that card would start to get limited by my CPU (see the Battlefront benchmark. A 980 Ti would be limited by 10% by my CPU, compared to a system with a i7 6700k)

I'll just ... be over here, making disgruntled noises, waiting for the end of the month.
Thanks, guys - do go on if you want.

I'll join you in disgruntled noises. I was speccing out an upgrade and then Nvidia released the new card. This is why I should always pay attention to the release schedule.

Just look at it as having more time to save up for a better card! That's what I'm doing.

The thing here is that it is 100% game dependent. Not so much hardware, but worst case scenario lets say. Cpu bound games. Like dying light. Would max every core on my 6300 easily, without making my 970 break a sweat. Cpu bound games require more cpu to push the fps, gpu bound games need more gpu. And its best to have a cpu that can handle what your gpu needs to make the frames for games you know. The division is not really cpu bound. A better test would be Dying light, or The Crew, both of which can max a 6300 on all cores without hardly touching the gpu.