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Imagine 4 of these babies in SLI

https://www.pccasegear.com/products/35537/msi-geforce-gtx-1080-founders-edition-8gb
AM3+ socket is legendarily bad. It has literally 2 good options, the 6300 and the 8350. Anything less or more is bunk and bad. The 9000 series amds are volcanoes that require liquid cooling. You have that one upgrade path for cpu, otherwise, just wait and save for zen or intel. Depending on if zen is gonna be good.
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Magic_Of_Light: Yeah i brought the cpu into it.
I didn't mean to sound snippy there. I'm just already struggling with all the information I've been getting, I do appreciate all advice.

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Navagon: There is a definite question about where the expense of upgrading will ever end. But ideally you want a balanced system. You've got a balanced system right now and spending all your money on jamming a powerful GPU in there is not going to get you the best results.
Aye, I get that. I figured I'd have some room to upgrade the GPU for slightly better performance without having to upgrade all the things.

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Navagon: I'd only recommend that if you're planning on getting a whole new system and simply want to get the GPU for that new system now and use it in your current rig. If that's what you've got planned then fair enough.
I cannot.

So what you guys are saying is it'd be better to split my measly budget for a not-so-massive GPU plus also a CPU upgrade, lest the CPU holds the GPU back in the end?

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Magic_Of_Light: AM3+ socket is legendarily bad.
Good good. Good.

I'm starting to understand why people would prefer consoles.
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Crackpot.756: lest the CPU holds the GPU back in the end?
What's the native resolution of your monitor?
The 6300 will do you just fine for now. As long as you arent playing any cpu bound games. I was able to play dying light and shadow of mordor on it. You may have to lower a couple settings for it, but it should be fine for now. Only noobs prefer consoles. A console is what parents buy their kids to keep them off the pc. It just takes a little know how to build a pc that will do what you need it to do.

Its like a car, you have to keep it up, make sure screws are tight/dust is removed/fans oiled occasionally if needed. And when you are in need of an upgrade, you upgrade. Just like if your tire popped, you get a new tire. If it no longer does what you need it to do, upgrade it. I prefer to be over prepared with my 750w psu. If I ever wanted to do sli, no other upgrade needed, just buy a new/used gpu and throw it in.
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Kleetus: What's the native resolution of your monitor?
1920x1080
I highly recommend you check out the thermaltake overseer on newegg though man. Its a full/mid tower case, has 200mm fans "up to 4" 2 on top as exaust, plus 120mm bottom intake and 120mm rear exaust. My friend got his for i think 60-70 when it was on sale with a rebate.

I can help you build a pc to do what you need it to do for the price point you have set. Add me if you want, i have helped like 3 people build their pcs through steam. I have an abundance of time to help you find the right parts if you need.
Post edited June 02, 2016 by Magic_Of_Light
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Crackpot.756: 1920x1080
Why do you want to replace the current card, a 7770 should be able to play most games with adjusted settings (I haven't read all the posts, if you've already answered that)?
Post edited June 02, 2016 by Kleetus
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Crackpot.756: 1920x1080
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Kleetus: Why do you want to replace the current card, a 7700 should be able to play most games with adjusted settings (I haven't read all the posts, if you've already answered that)?
I just upgraded from an Amd hd 6950 this year. Dying light wouldnt play right on it. The 7000 series is better, but not by alot. Nvidia is the way to go right now, and for 1 reason alone. DRIVERS DRIVERS DRIVERS. Amd always needs tweaking or fixing. Their drivers right now are a hybrid of the old ccc and the new crimson. And it gives literally no performance or compatibility improvements.
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Crackpot.756: Aye, I get that. I figured I'd have some room to upgrade the GPU for slightly better performance without having to upgrade all the things.
You certainly can do that. Definitely. No problem. But in that case I'd recommend not spending very much at all. You'd still notice quite an marked improvement but you won't be running Doom or Total Warhammer or anything like that.

If you do go for just the GPU upgrade then you really don't want to spend anything more than €75 as an absolute ceiling.

And yes, you'll experience bottlenecking if one part of your machine is vastly more powerful than the rest.

AM3+ does leave you with some good options, but without a clue as to what the stores available to you are offering I can only advise you look around for a quad core Phenom 2 and see what comes up.

Odds are you might be best off getting both the CPU and GPU refurbished rather than new. The rest of the system isn't exactly new anyway so this does make a certain amount of sense.
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Magic_Of_Light: DRIVERS DRIVERS DRIVERS.
Rubbish, rubbish, rubbish.

Even though I prefer nvidia (only because I loved PhysX in Borderlands 2, probably one of the only games that did it right), they've also released shitty drivers.

Drivers that have fried people's cards, it doesn't get shittier than that.

So no, I would never buy a card just based on the driver myth.
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Magic_Of_Light: The 6300 will do you just fine for now. As long as you arent playing any cpu bound games. I was able to play dying light and shadow of mordor on it. You may have to lower a couple settings for it, but it should be fine for now.
Thank God.
Like I said before, I don't really mind lowering settings, I don't even mind capping my FPS at 30 for some games.

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Magic_Of_Light: I highly recommend you check out the thermaltake overseer on newegg though man. Its a full/mid tower case, has 200mm fans "up to 4" plus 120mm bottom intake and 140mm rear exaust. My friend got his for i think 60-70 when it was on sale with a rebate.
From what I can tell at a glance, newegg doesn't even ship to Germany, though.

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Magic_Of_Light: I can help you build a pc to do what you need it to do for the price point you have set. Add me if you want, i have helped like 3 people build their pcs through steam. I have an abundance of time to help you find the right parts if you need.
Heh. You build me a PC for 200€, I'll bake you a cake.

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Kleetus: Why do you want to replace the current card, a 7770 should be able to play most games with adjusted settings (I haven't read all the posts, if you've already answered that)?
Aside from gradually upgrading stuff over time to very slowly catch up with current technology, so I'll be able to play current gen games in about five years or so, there's the possibility that the 7770 or a combination of my hardware components is causing rare mysterious blue screens.
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Crackpot.756: Aye, I get that. I figured I'd have some room to upgrade the GPU for slightly better performance without having to upgrade all the things.
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Navagon: You certainly can do that. Definitely. No problem. But in that case I'd recommend not spending very much at all. You'd still notice quite an marked improvement but you won't be running Doom or Total Warhammer or anything like that.

If you do go for just the GPU upgrade then you really don't want to spend anything more than €75 as an absolute ceiling.

And yes, you'll experience bottlenecking if one part of your machine is vastly more powerful than the rest.

AM3+ does leave you with some good options, but without a clue as to what the stores available to you are offering I can only advise you look around for a quad core Phenom 2 and see what comes up.

Odds are you might be best off getting both the CPU and GPU refurbished rather than new. The rest of the system isn't exactly new anyway so this does make a certain amount of sense.
A quad core phenom 2 is less powerful than the fx 6300...
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Magic_Of_Light: The 6300 will do you just fine for now. As long as you arent playing any cpu bound games. I was able to play dying light and shadow of mordor on it. You may have to lower a couple settings for it, but it should be fine for now.
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Crackpot.756: Thank God.
Like I said before, I don't really mind lowering settings, I don't even mind capping my FPS at 30 for some games.

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Magic_Of_Light: I highly recommend you check out the thermaltake overseer on newegg though man. Its a full/mid tower case, has 200mm fans "up to 4" plus 120mm bottom intake and 140mm rear exaust. My friend got his for i think 60-70 when it was on sale with a rebate.
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Crackpot.756: From what I can tell at a glance, newegg doesn't even ship to Germany, though.

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Magic_Of_Light: I can help you build a pc to do what you need it to do for the price point you have set. Add me if you want, i have helped like 3 people build their pcs through steam. I have an abundance of time to help you find the right parts if you need.
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Crackpot.756: Heh. You build me a PC for 200€, I'll bake you a cake.

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Kleetus: Why do you want to replace the current card, a 7770 should be able to play most games with adjusted settings (I haven't read all the posts, if you've already answered that)?
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Crackpot.756: Aside from gradually upgrading stuff over time to very slowly catch up with current technology, so I'll be able to play current gen games in about five years or so, there's the possibility that the 7770 or a combination of my hardware components is causing rare mysterious blue screens.
And this is where I leave you, you dont want help, i wont help, peace.
Post edited June 02, 2016 by Magic_Of_Light
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Crackpot.756: there's the possibility that the 7770 or a combination of my hardware components is causing rare mysterious blue screens.
There's also the possibility that buying new hardware is a waste of money and/or you may still get a BSoD.

(You can diagnose the blue screen from either the error code or via the dump file.)

Personally, and only you know best as you use it, unless the system was struggling playing games then I'd just do a reinstall of Windows, that can work wonders (so can an SSD).

If it still gives you a blue screen, then I'd look at isolating and diagnosing the issue, but don't buy a card just for that hoping it's the culprit.
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Magic_Of_Light: And this is where I leave you, you dont want help, i wont help, peace.
Oh? Thanks for your input up until now, anyway.

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Navagon: AM3+ does leave you with some good options, but without a clue as to what the stores available to you are offering I can only advise you look around for a quad core Phenom 2 and see what comes up.
A quad core vs. the six core I have now? o.0

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Kleetus: (You can diagnose the blue screen from either the error code or via the dump file.)
Don't get me started. I've made a thread here asking for help when the issue first turned up with no definitive results, plus a thread at the sevenforums and so much googling and reading on similar problems. My conclusion is I can't have easy-to-solve PC problems.
It's not a constant thing, just kind of a nuisance, especially because it can't seem to be pinpointed, and it's certainly not my main reason for upgrading. So, new hardware wouldn't be a complete waste of money if I can get better performance, but I'm sadly aware that it may not solve that particular issue.
Post edited June 02, 2016 by Crackpot.756