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ChristophWr: So how do you think pc gaming is like in 20 years or gaming in general.So what are your thoughts about the future?
My main thought (and I'm not kidding!) is, if I will still play PC games in 20 years at all.

That's because, in 20 years, I will stride towards my 70th birthday with giant steps - and by that time, I might have run out completely of any enthusiasm for PC games (or what PC games will have become by then).

And yeah...seeing, how much enthusiasm I lost already in just the past few years...makes that really a thought, worth taking into serious consideration.

Or maybe only the games I play will change...my reflexes haven't gotten better lately...and I assume, this will only get worse in the future.

So, no more "quick-reaction-requiring" games for this old dude, in the future...only HOGs and P'n'Cs. ;)
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ChristophWr: So how do you think pc gaming is like in 20 years or gaming in general.So what are your thoughts about the future?
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BreOl72: My main thought (and I'm not kidding!) is, if I will still play PC games in 20 years at all.

That's because, in 20 years, I will stride towards my 70th birthday with giant steps - and by that time, I might have run out completely of any enthusiasm for PC games (or what PC games will have become by then).

And yeah...seeing, how much enthusiasm I lost already in just the past few years...makes that really a thought, worth taking into serious consideration.

Or maybe only the games I play will change...my reflexes haven't gotten better lately...and I assume, this will only get worse in the future.

So, no more "quick-reaction-requiring" games for this old dude, in the future...only HOGs and P'n'Cs. ;)
Relax men are like fine wine and when you are retired you can work on your reflexes because you have a lot of time^^
Hmm. In 20 years the games will be in real life and the title: Survival; if we don't change our arrogant behavior toward our planet. There is no Earth 2
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ChristophWr: So how do you think pc gaming is like in 20 years or gaming in general.Since pc will always be the superior platform against anything im pretty sure we are on photorealistic level where you can’t even tell if its real or not.Maybe you can upgrade consoles too who knows which can give you the full pc gaming experience.So what are your thoughts about the future?Lg
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Hickory: PC gaming is in a constant state of, for want of a better word, nerfdom, because the majority of top publishers design their games around consoles. If games were designed exclusively around PCs, innovation would leave consoles in the poor man's lane. The future won't change because people like simplicity and consoles are just that.
I agree strongly.
Post edited August 20, 2019 by novumZ
In twenty years, AAA game developers will probably be able to make things that would look really impressive by today standards. Graphics-wise, assuming no revolutionary technology makes flat screen monitors obsolete, If realism gets to the point where there's little room left for improvement, the industry may try to impress with gimmicks.

Many indie developers will probably keep making games that will look no different from today's releases. If technology allows it to becomes way cheaper to make high quality graphics, then some indie developers will make things that look like today's AAA games or even the same quality as their contemporaries.

Sound and music may have better quality, but it gets to a point where the general audience may not notice any difference from today standards. Virtual orchestral music will be indistinguishable from real orchestras (we're steadily getting there), and way cheaper to use.

Writing will probably not be affected by new technology, so quality will still depend on writers' skills, it may remain time consuming (depending on the game) and cost accordingly.

Voice acting could be replaced by digitally created voices, reducing costs, though maybe AAA games would keep using real voice acting and celebrities.

As for the industry trends regarding digitally distribution and consumers rights and stuff like that, well, who knows what is coming in the next couple of decades, I hope the big companies most abusive tactics will not prove profitable in the long run and don't go too far, but I really don't know what to think about this.

Well, those are my thoughts, anyways, I hope we all live long enough to see good things happening in the future of gaming. :)
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toxicTom: Most of these EULAs are not legally binding in Europe, fortunately there is something called "principle of exhaustion" - meaning, once you obtain ownership of a product (you own the COPY), you can do with it with it as you like, as long as it's legal (making illegal copies is not, of course).
However, I'm pretty sure it was European courts that decided that you need the copyright holder's permission (i.e. a license) to overcome the minute technicality that your computer makes a copy (in RAM, caches, whatever) of whatever software you try to run. So EULAs as such may be powerless but you still need a license to run the software...
Post edited August 20, 2019 by clarry
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timppu: 78:3 aspect ratio
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teceem: Sounds more like a "touch bar" (see Apple laptops) than a monitor.
I don't know why, but to me it seems that monitors and especially TVs just get wider by each generation. And wider. And wider. I don't think there is an end in the vicinity.

Most probably it will start affecting evolution, and future humans have super-wide skulls with cow eyes far away from each other. Just perfect for the ultra-wide screens.
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timppu: 78:3 aspect ratio
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teceem: Sounds more like a "touch bar" (see Apple laptops) than a monitor.
I mean, the touchbar IS a specialty-use monitor with a touch sensor. And people have made games for it.
TouchBarDino, Pac-Bar and a port of Doom (of course). There are probably others, but this was what I found with a quick look-around.
Post edited August 20, 2019 by Maighstir
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GameRager: ALL games are rented if you think about it...even if rented is taken figuratively.
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toxicTom: No. Steam and Co are figuratively "rented", since your usage right is tied to the service - when the service is terminated (for you, or in general) you lose the game.
If you buy a physical copy, or buy on GOG and download the backup installer, that single copy is all yours - you own it. Just like you own a vinyl record, even if there are no means to play it any more. Or a combustion engine car, even if in some future there will be no gas available.
What you can't do is make unlicensed copies of the product and spread them. Much like you can't (even if you had the resources) faithfully recreate your Porsche and sell the copies...

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GameRager: Also let's not forget the legally questionable EULAs which state one only licenses a game COPY...not owns the game itself.
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toxicTom: Most of these EULAs are not legally binding in Europe, fortunately there is something called "principle of exhaustion" - meaning, once you obtain ownership of a product (you own the COPY), you can do with it with it as you like, as long as it's legal (making illegal copies is not, of course). Microsoft tried to forbid the reselling of the cheap OEM editions of Windows and Office and fell flat with it.
1st bit: Agreed but once you have no hardware to play those copies on anymore(or anyone does) it doesn't really matter if you OWN a game copy or not....moot point, etc.

2nd bit: Nice, but here in the states I think they get away with much more with those EULAs, sadly. :\

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GameRager: So then they can play a version with less bells and whistles, but as long as they can do so and others can enjoy the extra stuff then both can be happy and innovation can still happen. Take all the games which had optional shadows/colored lighting/etc in years past as examples.
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Hickory: So what's your point? Innovation would not happen if it weren't for those who can. With only those who can't, it dies.
I thought you were trying to say games cannot innovate due to consoles/etc or they aren't innovating anymore, and I was trying to show that they can and do. If I mistook what you were trying to say In apologize.

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novumZ: Hmm. In 20 years the games will be in real life and the title: Survival; if we don't change our arrogant behavior toward our planet. There is no Earth 2
Arnold: Get your arse to mars

(I know mars is a terrible choice....I just had to make that reference here)
Post edited August 21, 2019 by GameRager
Cloud gaming can only become successfully if the purchased games can be downloaded too in addition to streaming.Pcs will always be the most important part in gaming even cloud services are using them
After seeing how Windows needs regular time outs to install huge and seemingly pointless updates that the user can't control, I was about to create a thread about the same. I get the feeling that all Windows development is ultimately pointless seeing how all it would do is make us more reliant on one company as a platform for all games. Its one of those things where I feel more action / development should occur but am not sure how / where I can contribute.Just with the current state of affairs, I don't think I'll be comfortable with gaming on an OS that picks times for me rather than the other way round; so 20 years later, maybe I'd have stopped too.

Streaming seems like such a bad thing any way I look at it. I've seen videos about Crunchyroll and its incompetence and have personally experienced how useless the interface of Amazon Prime Video is. If game ownership dies and everything is streamed, assuming bandwidths increase to support it, it would be the absolute dark ages for customer convenience.

Anyone planning to make a vault of their games for the bleak future? We should have a thread for sharing info on that.
Game downloads will probably be measured in Terabytes. Hopefully internet speeds will improve with the increase in game size.
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Heretic777: Game downloads will probably be measured in Terabytes. Hopefully internet speeds will improve with the increase in game size.
I doubt it, in order to have bigger file sizes, you need to have higher fidelty textures, and creating really high-poly super-detailed textures takes a lot of time and money. Even the biggest AAA publishers in the business are finding it increasingly difficult to keep up with technology, and as technology and hardware improves so does the cost of increasing content.
My predictions of twenty years later:

- Yes, the big push to streaming will be either taking place full steam ahead or has already been completed.
- As a result, a lot of games will become streaming only.

(now that I think about it, if you have a laptop, and a power surge takes place, you may have a working laptop, but the game you were playing is now on standby. if that game is Minecraft on Hardcore and you were outside your safe house, you have effectively lost your world to circumstances)

- outside of streaming, there will be tens of hundreds of DRM clients that you need to install to play any game, period.
- as someone said, games may now measure in the terabytes. If not, the norm would be games that are bigger than 200GBs.
- yes, Windows still exists.
- if we don't melt out of global warming first, your PC would require new cooling for a new world. If it's a laptop, seriously don't use it outside of AC air.
- Like how DRM, DLC, and microtransactions are now considered normal, eventually lootboxes and always online games will be normal, and any outrage resulting from them is to be silenced and mocked.
- Discord will be replaced by a new chat service, just like Skype was replaced by Discord, just like AIM and Yahoo Messenger were replaced by Skype, etc etc etc
- to ensure that they get 100% of the cash from selling them, Steam gift cards will only be available digitally through their storefront. They'll also charge for issuing keys.
- Epic is hated right now, but it will grow and everybody will love it. Just like Steam was hated at launch, but it grew and now everybody loves it.
- An upgrade of the disc that will surpass blu-ray will not even be able to revive physical copies for PC games.
Entertainment 20 years from now
Ow My Balls! was robbed of that Oscar !!