48 hours later…

Fables22: Sir?

GOG Management: For the love of Galaxy, what is it now Fables?!

Fables22: Um, they… they keep asking questions and demanding answers. You see, they expect me to provide them with the details.

GOG Management: Details, what details?! Just wing it. Stall ’em, do whatever it takes! They’ll run out of steam eventually.

Fables22: With all due respect sir, I’m afraid they won't.

GOG Management: Then announce the giveaway and release the gremlins along with the news threads, dammit!

Fables22: Pardon me sir, but do you mean the game or the server gremlins?

GOG Management: Both. All of them. And let GOG bear out of his cage, will you? The fools adore the fluffy fellow.

Fables22: As you wish sir… but I have a bad feeling about this.

GOG Management: Look Fables, I'm not saying we won't get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty thousand users lost, tops! Uh, depending on the breaks.

I played this game online since the first day it was finally released on Gog (being a backer) and I don't remember ever being able to play online (as in except in LAN mode) without using Galaxy.

Also if I remember correctly the devs justification for not supporting cross play between Steam and Gog was because they were using Steamwork for the Steam version and Galaxy for the Gog version and that to support cross play they would have to either implement their own servers or use Galaxy servers for both versions (as it's apparently that how Gog cross-play feature works).

Are you really sure than when you played the previous version you weren't using Galaxy (you don't need to run the game through Galaxy, simply having Galaxy running in the background is enough) ?

Is this optin or optout ?

If optin, ah well.

If optout *headdesk* I'm already fed up unclicking unwanted software with other installers.
That would make the pirated isos the least annoying to install things again :P

I'm very critical about this stuff, but if there is really a standalone download for an offline version (against bots) I don't see a problem here.

It's opt-out only (and you'll need to remember to do this every time as it's not stored like the other installer settings are), and from what we've been told so far it sounds like the full Galaxy installer is bundled with each game.

thanks for the info *headdesk*

Once unwanted stuff gets bundled and selected per default you have crossed a line that can not be uncrossed.
You will have to check and make sure.. EVERY.. SINGLE.. TIME

Because:
- The setting may have gone lost
- The Feature remembering your deselection may have been cut
- The Bundleware is NOW so awesome, even you have expressed your wish not getting it in the past.. it NOW is so AWESOME.. we HAVE to SHOW it to you.. because we think you can and will not live without it anymore

Basically, you are not trustworthy anymore.

The problem is the release itself: Hands up in the air ... does this smell like some sort of deflection?
Users should forget about the disaster here and just buy the released software. It's kind of a shame to use this divide and conquer-tactics from GOG.

And it will be of use as people will buy these without thinking. Again: This kind of resistance here will stop soon enough and GOG can go on with whatever they want. The users will take this pill instead searching for alternatives or just saying NO. There are many possibilities, but the most easy one will be used ... which in fact is write down something in the forum and then do everyday-business. :)

Right. That why I said I can understand it for certain games. For other games devs could simply create LAN or hotseat multiplayer modes, but I can hardly blame GOG, if they are to lazy to do that.

Yes, before Galaxy there was no Rollback. But now there is and there is no reason why they can't offer it on the website as well. They said they don't want to confuse the customers with different versions, but they could easily "hide" Rollback in the "More" section of the gamecard (More -> Rollback -> Different versions). Wouldn't be any more confusing than in Galaxy.

How is that even an argument? InDev and Galaxy aren't connected. I can easily wait some days to get the latest patch, but hiding whole versions in Galaxy? Why can't they create offline installers like they do for other patches too?

Yes, but it's a fact that it works in Galaxy and doesn't work on the website. And we don't even get a "Sorry for that, we will bring it back as soon as possible.". Instead they said they will bring it back "eventually". Seriously, how hard can it be? Barefoot_Monkey fixed it within a day.

I'm here since 2012 and I never had to opt-out for Foxit reader. So I'm not really sure what you are talking about.

Congratulations! Out of 700 replies in this thread, you are the first one who defends GOG's shitty move. ;)

And seriously, when you need Galaxy for more and more basic features, it is still optional for you???

Maybe if not for the galaxy issue I would be inclined to agree, but as things are, I have lost all patience. Like GR00T said, this is still questionable. There are basically two games bundled together, and one of them is in no way DRM-free. The other is supposedly the DRM-free version of the same but that means that a)a non DRM-free product is in fact being distributed by GOG b)if you want the single player DRM-free game you still have to buy that DRM-ed product too.

I don't like it, and given the direction GOG has taken in other matters recently, I have no inclination to be forgiving, understading and accepting. I am possibly overreacting. I know that, and I don't care. That's the mood I'm in, and GOG has no one to blame for that but themselves.

Congratulation, you just used relativisation. The Visual C-Runtimes are needed for the games. Otherwise some of them won't even start. But hey: Bloatware, you know the exact definition? Just look at Galaxy combined with the installers. This is bloatware because Galaxy is NOT part of the games and only needed if you wish to use it. And that's it: Your wish, not mine, not from others. Your own. Pressing this on our harddisks: That's the definition of it. ;)

GOG why you make it so hard to give you moneyz ?

Well he is not wrong, doesn't make what GOG is doing here okay... but doesn't mean he was wrong either. People like to complain about Galaxy, but the alternative is without Galaxy the site would still be exactly the same as it is with Galaxy.

Nothing Galaxy offers as far as features is required or needed (outside of online MP for obvious reasons) to play your game... so yes it is very much optional given the literal definition of the word. Or are we debating what the word "optional" means now?

While I agree with that, that is actually not a wish, but an opinion/discussion (so its right place is the Forum). Also, the wish I posted is about something else.


Well... we should never forget that many users actually like Galaxy. Do you know what will we achieve by acting like this? Nothing. Instead, we should make proposals, suggestions, we need to make good use of the wish system. By now we are just spamming wishes and this will accomplish nothing!

There is an userbase that uses Galaxy, and we must coexist with them. The best option is to make so that Galaxy does not annoy who just want offline installers.

Well, that's probably it for me then. I already only bought a few games here over the past 6-9 months, when I used to buy quite a lot, and now I think I just might stop completely. I tried Galaxy on two separate occasions in the past but it's got too many problems for me (like having to redownload the entire game to update it - seriously, what?). And now I'll have to remember to uncheck the box for Galaxy every single time I download a game, and then, if I forget, I have to go uninstall the stupid program again. At this point, there's not much difference between GOG and Steam anymore, so I might as well stick to Steam, where there's a greater variety of games on offer. For me, the things that make GOG unique have been gradually disappearing. I already mostly quit visiting the forum, now I might just stop buying games too. It makes me quite sad, but it seems the GOG I appreciated is gone.