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Posted July 06, 2017
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Thanks for bearing with us in this thread. We’d like to announce that today we’ve introduced the addition of new installers, with implemented GOG Galaxy client.

Like Destro described it back in May, we decided to separate the „new" and „classic” installers, for your choice. So if you don’t care about the features like achievements or cloud-saves and don’t want to use GOG Galaxy, you can download the „Classic Game Installer", just like it was handled before. For games that have new installers, the default download view on „My account” will show the "GOG Galaxy Game Installers" - you will notice that, as it is visibly described in „My account” game view. To download the „classic” ones, just go to „Options" and choose „Classic Installers”.

The new GOG Galaxy Game Installers were added to +100 games - a selection of all games that make use of GOG Galaxy features. I'll post the current list of games with the new installers in a separate post.
Going forward, all new games that will use GOG Galaxy features, will now receive both GOG Galaxy Game Installer and Classic Game Installer.

Introduction of GOG Galaxy Game Installers doesn’t change anything in terms of keeping the Classic Game Installers up to date. As soon as we receive an update for any game, we will prepare an updated version of the classic installer, just like it was done in the past.

Edit: Pinned.
Post edited July 06, 2017 by fables22
Posted May 11, 2017
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So I was thinking about this more and was wondering whats going to happen with offline patches now?

At this point even if GOG says it won't eventually extend to every game's installer, people aren't going to believe that. It makes no sense to start pushing Galaxy with a few games and not go all the way eventually with every game. So what happens then with individual patches?

Will they all become bloated by 150+ megs to force galaxy with them? Or will they just be removed outright to "encourage" people to use Galaxy to patch games with less downloading?
Posted May 11, 2017
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PookaMustard: I once saw a friend run a pirated copy of Yooka Laylee from GOG. A pop-up showed on a mutual friend's end that the first friend was playing Yooka Laylee. I don't know how intentional is that on GOG's end, but it could be very possible that all of this ruckus is for the pirates? If so, I doubt pirates are any less angry than we are still, considering they still have to download extra and avoid forgetting that checkbox.

Gotta wait for the day of reckoning then.
That's exactly what we talking about here. I don't believe that pirates would suddenly embrace GOG and Galaxy when seeing Galaxy bundled either...
Posted May 11, 2017
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fables22: Hey everyone!

Starting on Friday, we’re going to include the option to install the GOG Galaxy client from the offline installers downloaded via GOG.com in over 100 games.
Please don't do that!
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fables22: As many new users discover and download games from our website, we don’t want them to end up with installations that don’t auto-update or backup saves to the cloud. In fact, we want to offer everyone the most convenient experience from the get-go.
You mean: you want to push Galaxy on as many unaware customers as you can! As you show with the next sentence:
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fables22: Don’t fret, nothing’s changed with our approach to GOG Galaxy being optional, which is why you can easily uncheck the GOG Galaxy installation within the game installer settings.
If you meant that 'optional' thing, the option would at least be unchecked by default. Opt-out is always an attempt to force something on unaware customers. So DON'T have it checked by default!
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fables22: Last but not least, here’s a list of games that will include the option to install GOG Galaxy: bit.ly/GOG_games_installers
That, at least, is useful. A list of games I have to backup before they get contaminated.

But please, reconsider! Don't contaminate our installers with bloatware (=Galaxy installer). Or, if you definitely want to waste the space, at least make the Galaxy installation unchecked by default! That would be a minor change that's easy to implement.
Posted May 11, 2017
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ElTerprise: Of course it's a business decision and yet it's an implementation problem at least in my opinion. It's probably the most complicated and inconvenient way of implementing it because it requires additional updates of all installers on top of the "normal" game updates (and they cannot even keep those up-to-date). I'm looking forward to complaints about broken Galaxy installations thanks to that implementation....
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Executer: That completly depends on the goals and priorities.

Does GOG has completly ignored the aspects WHY this is a horrible bad impemention, is for me just a strong indicator what their REAL goal is.
Maximize the number of Galaxy installations at ALL costs, while it still beeing formal "optional".

Bandwidth concern: thrown under the bus
Storage space concern: thrown under the bus
Opt-In: thrown under the bus
Concerns of customers that Galaxy will slowly become mandatory: thrown under the bus
Does the customer by using the offline installer has already MADE a decision against using Galaxy: thrown under the bus

and i bet there are many other points..

It is NOT a technical issue.. it is about the goals and priorities... thus a business decision.
at least it will help the bus-business to flourish as the bus will become quite busy now :)
but, indeed, i agree on every point you raised... it's depressing

what is even more depressing is a company treating its customers like clueless illiterate dumb children... Excuse me, "mommy GOG", i'm a grown up adult, i'm over 40 now, i think i can figure out what i need/want without you shoveling things down my throat (i know it's usually the verb "to shove down" but the whole mental image of someone pushing it with the help of a shovel fits the current situation quite well)
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fables22: we don’t want them to end up with installations that don’t auto-update or backup saves to the cloud. In fact, we want to offer everyone the most convenient experience from the get-go.
well, i dont want auto updates ! because if it autoupdates, i'm stuck for hours to download everything required for the games installed on my computer
i do want to update when I DECIDE, because i only update games i'm currently actively playing, and if/whenthe next patch features a fix for a serious bug/issue or brings a notorious cool new feature, or when i'lm sure the mods i am using will be updated too to the latest version

so, NO, i dont want to auto update, stop assuming i'm a complete idiot with no brain, and let me decide when i want to update.

as for cloud saves/baclups ? well, if i had waited for galaxy to introduce it, i'd be very sorry... i already solved the gamesaves sync/baclup/cloud save issue by myself already, over a year ago, thank you... i dont need it now, it's too late, i could have needed it years ago, and i took care of it myself, thank you.

and for the "most convenient experience", sorry but galaxy current state (even out of beta) and the gog website are nothing but convenient to me at all, i am wasting valuable time for many actions done about gog for mundane stuff that should be painless, quick and easy and that are NOT that convenient currently
oh, but maybe you meant you wanted me to have the "most convenient experience FOR YOU", where I do struggle and waste time like a guinea pig in a wheel and you guies back there are slacking instead ? sorry, how dare a mere customer put his needs above gog team's ones ? sorry for being SUCH a BURDEN to you, folks !

gee.... if i wanted BDSM relationship, i would have asked a professional instead !
Post edited May 11, 2017 by Djaron
Posted May 11, 2017
Well, too bad. There are some games on that list that I had planned to get at the next discount (Deponia 4, Dex and Shadwen). But I refuse to buy them bundled with a client software. So I'll have to get them somewhere else.
Posted May 11, 2017
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Fictionvision: Will they all become bloated by 150+ megs to force galaxy with them? Or will they just be removed outright to "encourage" people to use Galaxy to patch games with less downloading?
oh great idea, 150mg galaxy installer bundled with EVERY upgrade patches for games...
or rather: remove upcoming patches, so updates are only available through "optional" galaxy so it will be mandatory-optional ? :)

oh i so hope they pull up such trick just for the sake of laughing now, so i wouldnt have any hard dilemna about what to do next :)
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Lifthrasil: Well, too bad. There are some games on that list that I had planned to get at the next discount (Deponia 4, Dex and Shadwen). But I refuse to buy them bundled with a client software. So I'll have to get them somewhere else.
well, humble store versions of shadwen, deponia 4 and dex are drm free, last time i checked on my account, as i have each three of them as duplicates with my gog library.

so, clearly, i would understand any choice you would make regarding those three titles
Post edited May 11, 2017 by Djaron
Posted May 11, 2017
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Telika: But I suddenly realised the only factor that can justify this strategy in the eyes of GOG. These new installers are not meant for the clients of the shop. They are meant for those who short-circuit all the galaxy announcements and links of the website. They are meant for the pirates.

They are meant to have the pirated games encourage their users to install galaxy, to appreciate its benefits, and to make an account. It's galaxy adverstisement, galaxy-fishing, for those who never get close to this website. And that's why it's on by default, that's why the overwhelming galaxy reminders on the website are not considered sufficient, and that's why intercepting potential users on the downloads page is not considered as an option.
Interesting theory - but if this is the case, in some ways that makes it even worse. It would mean they're screwing over their loyal, paying customers for the sake of people who haven't paid for their games at all, not just those who've somehow 'overlooked' installing Galaxy. If they actually cared about existing customers, most people would probably be satisfied with a couple of minor changes:

1. Make the Galaxy installer a small 'stub' that will download and install the Galaxy files from the GOG server, rather than bundling all the installation files with the game package.
2. Include a tickbox for 'Do not show this message again', even if 'Install Galaxy' is ticked by default. At least that way, non-Galaxy users will only have to untick it once.

Both these things would still annoy non-Galaxy users, but not enough to be a deal-breaker in most cases. It would certainly be a hundred times better than what GOG is currently proposing. And it shouldn't make any difference as far as the pirates go - they'd still have to create an account anyway to use Galaxy, as most of its features won't work without one.
Posted May 11, 2017
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fables22: Don’t fret, nothing’s changed with our approach to GOG Galaxy being optional...
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PaterAlf: We all know how "optional™" the Galaxy client is by now:

You want to play Multiplayer mode? -> you often have to use Galaxy (I can understand that for some games)
You want to use the Rollback feature? -> you have to use Galaxy (why not give the option for offline installers?)
You want beta-branches and updates for certain InDev-titles -> you have to use Galaxy
You want an uncomplicated way to get notifications for forum replies, chat and game updates -> you have to use Galaxy, we might bring it back to the webpage "eventually™"
You want offline installers? -> sure, but we'll bloat them with Galaxy and make sure that it is as hard as possible to avoid the installation

Would it help, if I send you a dictionary, so that you can look up what "optional" really means?
recently, i saw a game i loved which had perfectly worlking multiplayer feature with gog version without the need of galaxy, and now this possibility has been removed with latest update of the game that became "galaxy compliant" and now can only do MP through galaxy and not as clean standalone network method as before

needless to say, i am not quite happy with that move
because it MADE galaxy mandatory for this game for a thing that worked fine without galaxy before.

first knife slash in the flesh here
Posted May 11, 2017
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PaterAlf: We all know how "optional™" the Galaxy client is by now:

You want to play Multiplayer mode? -> you often have to use Galaxy (I can understand that for some games)
You want to use the Rollback feature? -> you have to use Galaxy (why not give the option for offline installers?)
You want beta-branches and updates for certain InDev-titles -> you have to use Galaxy
You want an uncomplicated way to get notifications for forum replies, chat and game updates -> you have to use Galaxy, we might bring it back to the webpage "eventually™"
You want offline installers? -> sure, but we'll bloat them with Galaxy and make sure that it is as hard as possible to avoid the installation

Would it help, if I send you a dictionary, so that you can look up what "optional" really means?
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Djaron: recently, i saw a game i loved which had perfectly worlking multiplayer feature with gog version without the need of galaxy, and now this possibility has been removed with latest update of the game that became "galaxy compliant" and now can only do MP through galaxy and not as clean standalone network method as before

needless to say, i am not quite happy with that move
because it MADE galaxy mandatory for this game for a thing that worked fine without galaxy before.

first knife slash in the flesh here
Which game was that? I'd like to avoid it.
Posted May 11, 2017
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Djaron: ...snip
first knife slash in the flesh here
Galaxy is mandatory on a couple of other titles at least - Gwent, and today's Gremlins.
Continue slashing.
Posted May 11, 2017
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Lemon_Curry: [...] (and help inflate the total number of Galaxy installations presented by GOG to prospective business partners).
And this way, say "almost all users love Galaxy and use it", and so making more steps in less and less optional client :/

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Telika: Like spam, it's just about getting a fraction of the targets responding positively.

And people pirate with very diverse mindsets and degrees of awareness. So, in the lot, there may be enough potential new customers.
But, exactly like DRM, the legal customers (not interested in Galaxy here) are annoyed by this ! And this is exactly this kind of things that I don't want at all !
This reminds me the short clips at the beginning of dvds you legally bought, who lasted easily 1min and that you couldn't skip : "Don't pirate this DVD !" (french exemple dated of the end of 90's) Stop telling me to not pirate it when I bought it ! Seriously !
This is only harassing legal customers, and pirates don't care ! I know here it's not exactly the same, but seriously : if this catch some pirates, it will annoy legal (and most probably long-term) customers, for whom DRM-free and optional clients are what they were looking for.
Gaining some pirates at the risk of losing supporting customers ? For me it's absolutely stupid.
Post edited May 11, 2017 by Splatsch
Posted May 11, 2017
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Ghorpm: Did you actually hire some ex Microsoft employee? Because it looks very similar to "Upgrade your system to Windows 10" madness.
Or maybe some marketing bod heard the term "Galactic Empire" during the Star Wars promotion last week, and took the entire concept to heart. :-P
Posted May 11, 2017
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Lifthrasil: Well, too bad. There are some games on that list that I had planned to get at the next discount (Deponia 4, Dex and Shadwen). But I refuse to buy them bundled with a client software. So I'll have to get them somewhere else.
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Djaron: well, humble store versions of shadwen, deponia 4 and dex are drm free, last time i checked on my account, as i have each three of them as duplicates with my gog library.

so, clearly, i would understand any choice you would make regarding those three titles
Thanks for the notice. Then I will get them on humble.
Posted May 11, 2017
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And now, in the middle of all this, let me introduce you to GOG bringing peace, freedom, justice, and security to their new Empire in the form of Goblins Inc., a game not playable offline even in single player mode. Still being sold as DRM-free and "No activation or online connection required to play."

Has anyone any delusions left about Galaxy being optional? I think we are done here. GOG is dead, champion of DRM free, customer friendly gaming went out like a wanker. Long live Galaxy.
Post edited May 11, 2017 by Breja
Posted May 11, 2017
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Breja: And now, let me introduce you to GOG bringing peace, freedom, justice, and security to their new Empire in the form of Goblins Inc., a game not playable offline even in single player mode. Still being sold as DRM-free and "No activation or online connection required to play."
Seriously ?
:/
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Breja: Has anyone any delusions left about Galaxy being optional? I think we are done here. GOG is dead, champion of DRM free, customer friendly gaming went out like a wanker. Long live Galaxy.
If this goes this way, unfortunately, I'll simply can't support this site anymore. And this really makes me sad because I really believed in & loved GOG.
Time will tell.
Post edited May 11, 2017 by Splatsch
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