Why would cristi even claim a Neutral role at all if she was a SK? If she is a SK I would see her claiming VT before a neutral role. Claiming a neutral role is too risky of being lynched even if they are claiming to be helping town, that alone gives me pause in thinking she is a SK.

Nacho/Stan hadn't claimed, so if she claims VT a tracker sinks her.

Town vig would have seemed the safer claim, though as noted earlier it was also her last mafia fake-claim. And would've been less likely to fly with Tammy seemingly already holding that slot.

Perhaps now that Tammy claimed neutral cristi would like to amend her claim to "town vig'n'stuff"?

Want to look at PRs again now that Tammy is shuffled, but Nacho's notes - while I agree with them generally - on the impact of multi-neutral apply somewhat more if there's only one non-town squad.

Still, 9/3/3/1/1 would be a bit of a clusterfuck just on numbers, not even counting all these bizarre roles, ambiguous flips, etc.

Uh, defend trent. Now he feels more in the mix.

So what do you make of Tammy saying Nacho did something last night? Do you think cristi is a neutral survivor, a SK, or neither?

I still will not vote bler, he is so town!

[post refresh to see I rambled for 25 minutes - then had to repost because of a hanging tag. I'm on a roll!]

I still just can't see an SK/PGO combo. How does the SK counter? Bonus SK 1xbulletproof/strongman or dayvig? Hope the PGO gets policy lynched or plays bad?

If there's an SK in this setup...just, I can't buy that.

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So let's go back to cristi's RW claim and my last post. My thinking there was that she claims neutral rather than VT b/c she's worried about having been observed with RW N1. As you note, it's pretty much the only reason to claim that way - otherwise VT is safer as you suggest.

But she doesn't kill RW as RW's teammate (plus as noted I think her day play makes it hard to pair her w/w with RW anyway). She looks potentially like a Dess-match, but if it's, say Dess/Brasas/cristi, why NK RW?

If he flips scum, his action off/on Dess' wagon probably puts Dess next in line to go, right? cristi and/or brasas would've seen that. And if it's a 3x team, they have to know it's possible to likely there are other scum. Banking on RW flipping town, maybe? Still seems like there would've been safer plays to still take out a strong player with less risk of blowback.

So IDK, but either killing wyrm or quad makes more sense for that squad than killing someone on the dess wagon.

It's not solid, but...yeah...

I just don't see why scum-cristi kills RW either on his team or on a Dess team, and if she doesn't kill or at least otherwise visit RW her claim makes no sense as a proposition.

It would make some sense on a team that doesn't have Dess or RW, but that's just so far off the radar (even with 4 flips) what kind of team that would even be?

As for nacho, I'm kind of of the mind that if Drealmer really effed up, he's likely to intervene, at least via Tammy, whenever he logs on (hasn't been on all day as I've observed). But for the meanwhile I'm inclined to trust that he probably meant what he said in the clarifying post, and it's more likely to be mechanics than mere flavor and Nacho is trying to gaslight the room, or at least give teammates plausible deniability to bus him or not at their leisure.

As mentioned several times, I got a D2 QT that I couldn't tell what was flavor and what was mechanics at first (or second) but when we connected he was quite firm that it was mechanics. So....yeah.

I'll be offline most of the day tomorrow, but for now I guess I'm sitting where I feel best odds are with my vote (sundown qualifier, hopefully).

Cristi could be wolf, but I don't buy a 5 team in like 20 different ways, and even a 2x3 setup I have trouble fitting her in. 3x3? With tammy now not even town?

Only feasible angle is wolf who visited RW but didn't kill him. But why track/RB/whatever him if your squad is killing him? And why claim you killed him if you didn't? She seemingly didn't guard him.

Personally I'm tired and confused and tempted just to uninstall this game from my hard drive.

It's like we've long lost any grip of trying to actually scumread play because none of this shit fits together in any sensical way unless there's like 3-4 people lying and drealmer's point with this game was...I don't know what his point would be.

Sorry, I should edit that down, but I'm not sure I can make it make sense regardless of length. Kinda just want to go back to watching iZombie and curling up under a blanket.

Wow, interesting day.

Is it unusual to have 2 survivors? Yes. But, I don't have a problem believing Tammy. Absolutely no reason to do that if it's not true. I expected something unusual from drealmer, this certainly fits the bill. And it wouldn't surprise me if babark 'cured' brasas'.

Tammy, what is your win condition? Is it similar to mine?

I'm now certain that Nacho is scum. How can you ignore Tammy's report? My guess is we win the game when he's dead. I am not a SK, but let's say that I am. If I am lying and Nacho flips town, I die tomorrow and town wins. I'm telling the truth, I played this game (like Tammy) to help town win. I'd like to have a chance to win. It would bite to die with just Nacho to go.

@Stanari - Why do you think you got no report on Tammy? Did her kill happen at the end of the night? Beginning of the day?
@Stanari and @Tammy - Any idea how that worked?

Vote nachomamma8

lolwhut

unvote cristigale

let me read this again, slower this time

My win con is that I win no matter which side wins if I haven't been removed from the game.

And Bler - I am town. It's in my heart no matter what the silly win con says.

lolwhut

Two Neutral Survivors

Who does that shit

I mean honestly

(looks around nervously)

vote no lynch

unvote no lynch

*Sigh*

Once again I am not sure who to believe. But, I am going to just go with what makes the most sense to me and that's Nacho is lying and cristi and Tammy really are both neutral survivors. (If I'm wrong again I might just curl up in a ball and cry)

Vote Nachomamma8

It's like the "Neutral Survivor Dating Game"

Bachelorette #1 is a nervous wreck and likes gruesomely murdering and dismembering her victims and burying them in her house. Let's welcome... CRRRRIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSTY!

Bachelorette #2 stabs people to death day AND night and knows when you've been moving because she's watching you she's watching you right now... Let's welcome... TAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMY

Prepare to cry.

So basically, the same as mine. Do you think there is room in that for a SK?

Vote Nachomamma8 (in case the first one didn't conform to the mod's requirement)

what the hell

-- me right now

still would rather lynch cristi I think because as SK likelihood goes...

catching up in full right now

Well if you are really town either tammy is lying (though seriously how is that even possible) or this gets added to the list of things we yell at drealmer about after the game, like setup, and the unclear lynch rules, and the length of the game, and....

while we're on Tammy (pig pile!) what the hell kind of cop was ix? seriously. not flavor cop. not alignment cop. not role cop. not parity cop - greatest of all cops. not even (*&$(#&(*&! stats cop. what kinda cops have a I left out, there?

hopefully the observers are amused, anyway.

uh, defend yogs. he's still funny.

A very teensy small part of me wonders if drealmer is doing what I did, where the game ended so soon so I extended it a day just to see what town would do.

no lynch ftw? probably not. but, like, seriously. I kinda want to do it. If nacho/cristi are scum they can kill each other. It's like a Mexican standoff. Kinda.

at this point it feels like nacho is either a great bluffer or truly playing under protest.

Anyway, it was great having you here for 1 game on GOG, as surely you're never falling for that again.

For comparison purposes, here is my wincon from an earlier post....

Do you think there is room in that for a SK?


Nacho seems to be grasping at straws now - trying to blame the mod because Tammy's report contradicts his claim. I'm fine waiting for drealmer for any clarification.