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Lord of the Rings Amazon at this point is also in danger.

Hundred bucks they actually do attempt to make Frodo and Sam an implied gay couple an Amazon's Lord of the Rings.

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Telika: I really hope that this Geralt character has a moustache.
Full Beard > Moustache only.
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Telika:
I feel this is done because I remember "SJW" criticism against the Witcher franchise for not having Black people in the setting.

I guess these people working on this Neflix series took that criticism to heart.
Post edited September 08, 2018 by Elmofongo
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Crosmando: God I hate identity politics so much, you try to escape it but it just keeps getting shoved into your face.
Well, it's one of the problems that the far reach of American politics as well as society brings with it. Unfortunately, I don't think there is much, or rather anything, we can do against it.
To be honest I don't really see the problem. Only read the first book (which consisted of a number of short stories) and I don't recall that race of people was even mentioned (or at least it wasn't important). So I can easily imagine Ciri being a black person. Which difference would it make?

But maybe I'm wrong, because I didn't read the other books and stuff like that gets important there.
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Elmofongo: Lord of the Rings Amazon at this point is also in danger.

Hundred bucks they actually do attempt to make Frodo and Sam an implied gay couple an Amazon's Lord of the Rings.
I would take you up on that bet. lol. Although I think the homoeroticism in the current LotR movies is pretty evident.
Post edited September 08, 2018 by Dr_Adder
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Linko90: Let's keep this on the topic of the Witcher netflix show aye?

As for the casting, Preacher did similar with Tulip and Ruth Nega did a great job, so i'm not writing anything off.
Preacher is a solid show on its own; but besides on some occasions Cassidy none of them does (or rather is allowed to do) a good job presenting their characters or the Preacher series as it is. I do not blame the actors though; they do the best they can given the scripts. But so far this series does not at all satisfy the itch to see a Preacher live adaption (but as said; it has its entertainment value on its own; just a waste of the source material which cannot be properly adapted as long as this runs).
Post edited September 08, 2018 by Anothername
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darthspudius: *sigh* Oh well, that's me out already. If they can fuck this up so simply, what are they going to do with the story? other characters? etc. Fucking lefties, stop ruining everything.
Same. I've grown pretty weary of the ridiculous amounts of bigotry within modern left. Like, it wouldn't be so annoying if they were viewed with the same disdain the alt-right and their ilk are justifiably viewed with, but according to the mainstream it's virtuous when the regressive left divides people into groups based on their immutable characteristics, and then places those groups into hierarchies.
Well, i'm already expecting The Witcher Series The Game. Make it happen, GOG.
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PaterAlf: To be honest I don't really see the problem. Only read the first book (which consisted of a number of short stories) and I don't recall that race of people was even mentioned (or at least it wasn't important). So I can easily imagine Ciri being a black person. Which difference would it make?

But maybe I'm wrong, because I didn't read the other books and stuff like that gets important there.
Just to say it, but you are wrong. Doing my best to avoid ***SPOILERS*** but just in case...
Her genealogy is entirely significant to her character. The truth of that is what makes her so very important to most everyone. It's what drives the prophesies. Otherwise she is supposed to be indistinguishable from anyone else in the world setting. You'd have to cast the entire world as a different ethnostate to preserve her backstory.
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Sogi-Ya: *groan*

https://comicbook.com/gaming/amp/2018/09/07/the-witcher-netflix-series-ciri-white-changes/

Just ... Why?

FFS, I am fine with colorblind casting if the actor is right for the part, but to just go "Nope: can't be white" and then on top of it to go with a minor when the series is explicitly graphic on both sex and violence, & if you read the books: Ciri ain't celebant ... Or straight.
So Netflix is racist. Who knew?
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PaterAlf: To be honest I don't really see the problem. Only read the first book (which consisted of a number of short stories) and I don't recall that race of people was even mentioned (or at least it wasn't important). So I can easily imagine Ciri being a black person. Which difference would it make?

But maybe I'm wrong, because I didn't read the other books and stuff like that gets important there.
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RWarehall: Just to say it, but you are wrong. Doing my best to avoid ***SPOILERS*** but just in case...
Her genealogy is entirely significant to her character. The truth of that is what makes her so very important to most everyone. It's what drives the prophesies. Otherwise she is supposed to be indistinguishable from anyone else in the world setting. You'd have to cast the entire world as a different ethnostate to preserve her backstory.
Pretty much this. It would have been easier to cast Geralt as a black guy than change Ciri's race.
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RWarehall: Just to say it, but you are wrong. Doing my best to avoid ***SPOILERS*** but just in case...
Her genealogy is entirely significant to her character. The truth of that is what makes her so very important to most everyone. It's what drives the prophesies. Otherwise she is supposed to be indistinguishable from anyone else in the world setting. You'd have to cast the entire world as a different ethnostate to preserve her backstory.
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tremere110: Pretty much this. It would have been easier to cast Geralt as a black guy than change Ciri's race.
Is this show licensed by the book author or by CDPR?
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WinterSnowfall: I for one am more looking forward to reading the novels, but if this turns out to be generally OK, I don't care who they cast in what role, their skin color or what they eat for breakfast. Hell, they can cast non-Irish/Scottish people to play dwarves and put down-pointing ears on elves and I wouldn't mind. Just make it a decent, interesting, fun to watch series.

If it sucks ass or you don't like the creative liberties they've taken, don't watch it - stick to the games, books, anything else you like. Problem solved.
The problem with all these remakes, reboots and reinterpretations is, they take an existing, established work of fiction, and then make all sorts of bizarre changes to it, alienating the original fans, and more often than not resulting in commercial failure. ( Which then leads to the death of that particular franchise, at least until someone comes along with the money and skill to create something better. )

If they actually consider themselves good writers/directors, they should come up with their own original works, which would give them the freedom to do whatever they like, and without the risk of disappointing an existing fanbase. Instead they keep shitting all over the creative works of other writers and artists, which often have been established over the course of decades, and have passionate fans all over the world.

It makes me wonder who their target audience is -- The only people who care about a new movie based on a video game or comic are generally those who are already fans of the source material, and most of them don't want the movie writers to make significant changes to their favorite characters and stories. Those who aren't even familiar with the source material, would have just as much enjoyed a new, original story and characters, created specifically for the film.
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LootHunter: Why not? If they made Ciri black, what would stop them from making Geralt a woman?
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Linko90: They've already cast the role of Gearalt soooooooooo
And you just assumed character gender by actor?

OK, I was half-joking. But only half - in current situation with western media you never know how far producers wil go in PC and SJ.
Post edited September 09, 2018 by LootHunter
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Welcome to the world of Asians.

The movie "21" was based on the TRUE story of a group of genius Asian MIT students who use mathematics and card counting to cheat casinos. Hollywood made a movie based on an autobiographic book by one of the Asian students, *but changed all the characters to whites*. When Asians complained and protested about it, whites people said, "why does race matter?" and call us racist.

The movie "Extraordinary Measure" was based on the TRUE story of an Asian scientist who found a cure for Pompe disease. Hollywood made a movie about it - and changed the race of the scientist from Asian to white. Again, when Asians said, "WTF is this?!?" White people would say, "race should not matter. The best actor should get the job!"

Those were not fictional or mythical characters . They were actual, real-life ASIAN characters, but still white people told us it was not racist to change their race from Asian to white in movies. So it's hard for me to feel angry or sorry for whites when the table turned. You're only complaining because the table has turned and now it's working against your race. Otherwise you would be singing a different tune.

So much for (the myth of) diversity in Hollywood.

When we (i.e., Asians) complained about taking Asian characters and roles away from Asians and giving the roles to whites, you criticized us and tried to shut us up with, "why do you see race? why does it matter what race plays the characters??" It is hard for me as Asian to feel sympathy over what is happening to you guys when it's exactly what you had done to us and other people. IMO it's karma.

(I'm not even gonna get into *fictional* Asian characters who were changed to white in movies, like The Last Airbender, Ghost in the Shell, etc.)

So, right back at ya: "Does it really matter what race Ciri is?" "Why is race so important to you?" "Why do you see race?" Ciri was not even a real person. She is fictional. If you really have a problem with a fictional character being the wrong race, then just do not see it, don't support it. I did not see 21, or Extraordinary Measures, or The Last Airbender, or Ghost in the Shell, or whatever. You can do the same to Netflix's The Witcher series.

Personally, I hope they cast an Asian Ciri, just for the social "justice/karma", for once I'd like to see this whole race-washing casting BS works in Asians' favor, for just once. It's always been taking away characters/roles from Asians - i.e., ASIANS characters and roles - changing the race of the characters/roles, and giving them to white actors, but never the other way round. For once, I'd like to see it works in our favor, so let it be Ciri in the Witcher. Not that I'd get a Netflix streaming subscription for The Witcher, (which I won't,) but just for my personal karmaic enjoyment of it. So, maybe the next time Hollywood takes a character/role away from Asians and give the role to whites, white people will say, "hey, that's not fair/right!" instead of "why does it matter? why do you see race? are you a racist?" But I doubt so. White people only complain when it happens to them.
Post edited September 09, 2018 by ktchong
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ktchong: Welcome to the world of Asians.

The movie "21" was based on the TRUE story of a group of genius Asian MIT students who use mathematics and card counting to cheat casinos. Hollywood made a movie based on an autobiographic book by one of the Asian students, *but changed all the characters to whites*. When Asians complained and protested about it, whites people said, "why does race matter?" and call us racist.

The movie "Extraordinary Measure" was based on the TRUE story of an Asian scientist who found a cure for Pompe disease. Hollywood made a movie about it - and changed the race of the scientist from Asian to white. Again, when Asians said, "WTF is this?!?" White people would say, "race should not matter. The best actor should get the job!"

Those were not fictional or mythical characters . They were actual, real-life ASIAN characters, but still white people told us it was not racist to change their race from Asian to white in movies. So it's hard for me to feel angry or sorry for whites when the table turned. You're only complaining because the table has turned and now it's working against your race. Otherwise you would be singing a different tune.

So much for (the myth of) diversity in Hollywood.

When we (i.e., Asians) complained about taking Asian characters and roles away from Asians and giving the roles to whites, you criticized us and tried to shut us up with, "why do you see race? why does it matter what race plays the characters??" It is hard for me as Asian to feel sympathy over what is happening to you guys when it's exactly what you had done to us and other people. IMO it's karma.

(I'm not even gonna get into *fictional* Asian characters who were changed to white in movies, like The Last Airbender, Ghost in the Shell, etc.)

So, right back at ya: "Does it really matter what race Ciri is?" "Why is race so important to you?" "Why do you see race?" Ciri was not even a real person. She is fictional. If you really have a problem with a fictional character being the wrong race, then just do not see it, don't support it. I did not see 21, or Extraordinary Measures, or The Last Airbender, or Ghost in the Shell, or whatever. You can do the same to Netflix's The Witcher series.

Personally, I hope they cast an Asian Ciri, just for the social "justice/karma", for once I'd like to see this whole race-changing casting works in Asians' favor.
TBH, it's one thing when there's an open casting call for a character that's not well known the best performance comes from an unexpected race/gender.

Certain characters, because of how they were written or who they're portraying, really shouldn't be race/gender swapped. It's not as big of a deal for supporting characters or characters that are living in a world where the line isn't one people care about.

The bigger issue though is that whenever they create a role for an underrepresented minority or even just swap socioeconomic categories, you reduce the incentive and the marketing power for real characters that might be even more interesting.

As far as recasting characters to be white goes, you're living in a majority white country, it wasn't that long ago that 80% of the population was white. There's going to be characters recast as white just in order to improve the marketability. Of course it's racist and cynical, but it's also effective. You see the same thing going on all over the world with other characters mysteriously being recast in whatever the local ethnicity is.