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Ruvika: I mean, it's quite understandable on the reasons, if you want to talk about the games, news or update of Zoom, then do it on the Zoom forum, this is the GOG Forum, or do you post all the content on Steam too? Or in Itchio? It's not the mention of the store, it's the advertising of somebody who is related with the store, at least with their discord server.
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Time4Tea: It has been considered perfectly acceptable to discuss other online game stores on the GOG forum for years - that only changed recently.

A simple question: Is it not allowed any more to talk about other game stores on the GOG forum? If so, that's fine and I will observe the rules. But, I would like to know where the line is.

And let's not single out Zoom here. Surely the rule should apply consistently? Either it is allowed to talk about and mention all other stores, or none, right?
The simple answer has been laid out multiple times, talk to a GOG staff member.
Funny story from my time as a Telltale forum moderator. There was this guy making perfectly fine posts advertising his streams, that was back in 2012 when The Walking Dead was all the rage and the whole comic had not been ridden to death on a pogo stick. So we let him, no harm in that. We thought. Then by mere coincidence we looked into the post history of his stupid thread and found out that he deleted his last announcement post hundreds of times and posted it anew just so that his thread would stay at the top of the subforum. Sometimes he did it a dozen times in a single day. I shot him a message ... he literally said his livelihood depended on it.

Sometimes you can kind of smell when somebody desperately wants to sell you something.
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paladin181: Perhaps you should address this to a moderator or GOG staff in PM to get your answers. I did when asking about my Steam games giveaway (not allowed) specifically because of the new rules/enforcement of the rules.

Oh, and stop shilling for your store. We get it, they made you important on their discord and you love them for it. Literally no one else cares about them.
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Time4Tea: I think it would be beneficial for everyone to see a clarification of: what actually are the rules here?
They did clarification why the thread was locked T4T. Your just trying to start things now.
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Timboli: The ZOOM Platform thread was sabotaged, and a MOD fell for that hook, line & sinker.

But it is hard to blame them, as they were in a kind of no win situation, a situation that had gotten out of control.

That said, the links that the MOD were referring to certainly weren't recent, so that was disingenuous of them, especially as all of us who cared about that thread, have been deliberately avoiding posting links since GOG notified their new intent about such. And it's not like that thread was hidden away, it was in plain sight, and left alone by mods until now.

As is often the case, the Bully Brigade win.
It could have been a mature discussion, but it wasn't.
The baggage should have been left on Discord.
The Zoom Platform thread was for those of us who cared about the game situation there and supporting another DRM-Free game store, but not at GOGs diminishment or loss, certainly not in my case.

GOG in any case could just as easily edit and remove offending links in a thread, rather than locking a thread because some numskull posted a link to a game at another store.
How was it sabotaged?

Edit: You know for fact it was not about for those of us who cared about the game situation there and supporting another DRM-Free game store. It was to drive people from GOG to ZOOM. I support ZOOM but even I can see what the thread was about. T4T doesn't even hide what he is doing, but you still believe what you said?

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paladin181: I'm sorry for derailing this discussion. It is not about Time4Tea specifically and I made it more about him. For that, I truly apologize. I didn't intend to be antagonistic, but I see now that my posts definitely came across that way. I stand by my statements, but this was not the place to address it. My humble apologies to you, Time4Tea for this. I know you're not a bad guy and despite our disagreements we've had cordial conversation before. I'm terribly sorry. I wouldn't want this kind of scrutiny into my own forum activity.
I don't think you did anything wrong or should be saying sorry.
Post edited September 03, 2022 by Syphon72
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paladin181: I'm sorry for derailing this discussion. It is not about Time4Tea specifically and I made it more about him. For that, I truly apologize. I didn't intend to be antagonistic, but I see now that my posts definitely came across that way. I stand by my statements, but this was not the place to address it. My humble apologies to you, Time4Tea for this. I know you're not a bad guy and despite our disagreements we've had cordial conversation before. I'm terribly sorry. I wouldn't want this kind of scrutiny into my own forum activity.
I'm affraid I disagree, there is no reason to be sorried by calling
the OP to a Conflict Of Interest (COI) driven by facts:

1) Time4Tea is the leader/representant of GOG boycott

2) Time4Tea is a ZP Discord moderator

3) This concern/thread happens at the exact time the ZP thread gets locked having Time4Tea as OP

So talking about Time4Tea (a smart and talented forum fellow) is unavoidable.
Hopefully sooner or later he'll realize the COI and take self actions to solve it.
And to be clear: Calling the COI and describe it is not a personal attack nor a derail nor an immediate rejection of the other issues converging we may agree.
But, this COI needs to be solved first to improve reception and support

Can the situation could be softened/ironed/presented to him in a better way?
Man, that's subjective but IMO you did a good job.
I hope any given day you or any other fellow do it for me.
But probably don't expect my immediate positive acknowledge.

Sometimes the tree must be shaken to get some its stubborn fruits...
better than the apathy letting them rot

You demonstrated interest and concern. That counts a lot, thanks for that
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tag+: 1) Time4Tea is the leader/representant of GOG boycott

2) Time4Tea is a ZP Discord moderator

3) This concern/thread happens at the exact time the ZP thread gets locked having Time4Tea as OP
Everything correct except he wasn't the OP of that thread.
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tag+: I'm affraid I disagree, there is no reason to be sorried by calling
the OP to a Conflict Of Interest (COI) driven by facts:

1) Time4Tea is the leader/representant of GOG boycott

2) Time4Tea is a ZP Discord moderator

3) This concern/thread happens at the exact time the ZP thread gets locked having Time4Tea as OP
1) I am not the 'leader' of the boycott group. I started the thread and have been maintaining the list of signees. It is a community protest, signed by over 100 GOG users, many of which have joined for a range of different reasons.

2) This is correct.

3) This is not correct. This thread was indeed prompted by the locking of the ZP thread, but I was not the OP of that one.

There is no 'conflict of interest' with the GOG boycott thread:

- that thread was started long before I became a moderator for the Zoom Platform Discord. I became a ZP moderator earlier this year - the boycott thread was started at least a year prior to that.

- it is purely about GOG, it has nothing to do with Zoom Platform. That is clear from the first post.

- it is based on objective, legitimate complaints about GOG, which are shared by the over 100 GOG users who have signed it

- I have been a genuine GOG user since 2015 and have 57 owned games on my account. I have stated many times in that thread that I do not want to see GOG go out of business, but the goal of the protest is to encourage the store to improve on its commitment to DRM-free

Frankly, a lot of this smells like, having been successful in shutting down the Zoom Platform thread, the GOG lynch mob is now trying to see if they can go one further and get another thread that they don't like locked. Moderators, please see what they are doing and don't fall for their nonsense. Having struck down the ability of users to discuss other stores, let's not also strike down the ability of GOG customers to make legitimate complaints as well?
Post edited September 04, 2022 by Time4Tea
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Time4Tea: I think it would be beneficial for everyone...
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Namur: You aren't looking out for everyone, you are looking out for yourself.
Yeah, just like GOG. Maybe they should hire him.
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Time4Tea: 1) I am not the 'leader' of the boycott group. I started the thread and have been maintaining the list of signees. It is a community protest, signed by over 100 GOG users, many of which have joined for a range of different reasons.
That may have been true initially, when the boycott first started.

However, eventually you declared that the boycott was about "DRM and censorship" only, and that other boycott-related reasons/posts that are not about "DRM and censorship" are subsequently forbidden & banned from your boycott thread, even though, as you correctly said in that quoted statement above, people actually signed up to the boycott for many different reasons, not just DRM and censorship only.

So, I would say at the time when you re-purposed the boycott thread off of its original purpose (which was to boycott GOG for any/or and all reasons that any individual boycotter feels like they should do), you definitely became the boycott thread leader at that point, even if you were not before.
Passive-aggressiveness should be a capital offense.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: That may have been true initially, when the boycott first started.

However, eventually you declared that the boycott was about "DRM and censorship" only, and that other boycott-related reasons/posts that are not about "DRM and censorship" are subsequently forbidden & banned from your boycott thread, even though, as you correctly said in that quoted statement above, people actually signed up to the boycott for many different reasons, not just DRM and censorship only.

So, I would say at the time when you re-purposed the boycott thread off of its original purpose (which was to boycott GOG for any/or and all reasons that any individual boycotter feels like they should do), you definitely became the boycott thread leader at that point, even if you were not before.
That is untrue, ARD. An open vote was held between all of the signees of the boycott at that time, which led to a majority decision to clarify the boycott purpose and the thread title.

Besides that, the GOG boycott is not the subject of this thread - several users here seem to be deliberately trying to take this thread off-topic and de-rail it, which I believe is against the CoC. I will not discuss the GOG boycott any further, only the topic of this thread.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: That may have been true initially, when the boycott first started.

However, eventually you declared that the boycott was about "DRM and censorship" only, and that other boycott-related reasons/posts that are not about "DRM and censorship" are subsequently forbidden & banned from your boycott thread, even though, as you correctly said in that quoted statement above, people actually signed up to the boycott for many different reasons, not just DRM and censorship only.

So, I would say at the time when you re-purposed the boycott thread off of its original purpose (which was to boycott GOG for any/or and all reasons that any individual boycotter feels like they should do), you definitely became the boycott thread leader at that point, even if you were not before.
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Time4Tea: That is untrue, ARD. An open vote was held between all of the signees of the boycott at that time, which led to a majority decision to clarify the boycott purpose and the thread title.

Besides that, the GOG boycott is not the subject of this thread - several users here seem to be deliberately trying to take this thread off-topic and de-rail it, which I believe is against the CoC. I will not discuss the GOG boycott any further, only the topic of this thread.
Then take the advice that several have given.... contact a GOG staff member, you don't need to keep engaging in these conversations in the forum yet you do despite the answer being given multiple times. Use Support, contact a GOG staff member, read the terms and conditions, you have so many options yet you refuse to use them you just keep coming here to play the victim.
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Namur: You aren't looking out for everyone, you are looking out for yourself.
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richlind33: Yeah, just like GOG. Maybe they should hire him.
He would be great in the advertising department
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: That may have been true initially, when the boycott first started.

However, eventually you declared that the boycott was about "DRM and censorship" only, and that other boycott-related reasons/posts that are not about "DRM and censorship" are subsequently forbidden & banned from your boycott thread, even though, as you correctly said in that quoted statement above, people actually signed up to the boycott for many different reasons, not just DRM and censorship only.

So, I would say at the time when you re-purposed the boycott thread off of its original purpose (which was to boycott GOG for any/or and all reasons that any individual boycotter feels like they should do), you definitely became the boycott thread leader at that point, even if you were not before.
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Time4Tea: That is untrue, ARD. An open vote was held between all of the signees of the boycott at that time, which led to a majority decision to clarify the boycott purpose and the thread title.

Besides that, the GOG boycott is not the subject of this thread - several users here seem to be deliberately trying to take this thread off-topic and de-rail it, which I believe is against the CoC. I will not discuss the GOG boycott any further, only the topic of this thread.
You made a point of telling people that if the vote didn't go your way you would no longer be leading the boycott-that-doesn't-have-a-leader.
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Time4Tea: That is untrue, ARD. An open vote was held between all of the signees of the boycott at that time, which led to a majority decision to clarify the boycott purpose and the thread title.

Besides that, the GOG boycott is not the subject of this thread - several users here seem to be deliberately trying to take this thread off-topic and de-rail it, which I believe is against the CoC. I will not discuss the GOG boycott any further, only the topic of this thread.
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wolfsite: Then take the advice that several have given.... contact a GOG staff member, you don't need to keep engaging in these conversations in the forum yet you do despite the answer being given multiple times. Use Support, contact a GOG staff member, read the terms and conditions, you have so many options yet you refuse to use them you just keep coming here to play the victim.
Him contacting GOG staff would probably work in his favor as well. If he doesn't like what they say, he can post on ZOOM discord about it. Look at what GOG staff told him instead of some no-name like us. Look at how bad GOG can be.
Post edited September 04, 2022 by Syphon72
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richlind33: Yeah, just like GOG. Maybe they should hire him.
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Syphon72: He would be great in the advertising department
He couldn't be any worse than the other folks that have come and gone. And they could pay him in honey.
Post edited September 04, 2022 by richlind33