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Posted June 12, 2016
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JinKazaragi: First of all, black holes are remnants of star not a planet, if the rest-core after the explosion ist heavier than 3,4 time the sun.
And it is proven in multiple ways they exist i, they can't be obverved directly but their influence can.
As for the link you posted, whoever stated that rest-cores of the neccessary size couldn't exist either made a mistake by calculating it (happens to the best scientists sometimes, either by using the wrong calculation method or by observing numerical artifacts) or is just calling for attention.
If you know how big stars end it's obvious that an rest-core always remains which depends on the size of the actual star, the shockwave of the supernova is not created in the core (one shockwave is created close to the core but it is stoped by the force applyed by the radiation of the outer layers and that way the source of the actual supernova is somewhere in the outer layers) of the star but in one of the other layers around the core and it spreads in both directions destroying the outer layers and compressing the core.

And concerning the hypothesis of them leading to other universes:
It doesn't oppose the fact of them being a trap for everything, beyond the event horizon there are 2 layers, one which can be mathimatically described and a sigularity with multiple mathematical solutions, the hypothesis of the "portal" is one possiblility. It does not mean that you can just use it for traveling but that matter and energy can be transfered in a chaotic way.
There are also possiblities of "countering" or evading the destructive effects of the black hole in theoretical physics, those are just not possible to test with our technology yet.
I find these things incredibly interesting. Boggles the mind how little we actually know about the universe, and how far ahead of his time Einstein was. We don't even *know* how the thing started. Obviously there is big bang, but then there are more "fancy" theories such as string theory and multiple universes. Maybe the big bang was just one of many?

Sounds more like the realm of sci-fi, but it may not be impossible, if Hawkings is correct, that energy or matter can travel between different universes through black holes, hence a sort of a portal. Wish I had a better understanding about these things, and had the knowledge and intelligence to better grasp it. Very intriguing stuff.
Posted June 12, 2016
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: Lately, i read various statements of the supposed master scientist, that shake me quite a bit and make me really start wondering, just what happened to his legendary brains... Articles on him claiming there are aliens ready to communicate with us, to him playing politician and advising against Brexit, all the way to him stating that black holes are "Portals" to other worlds (!!??!!?)...

About the rest, okay, we can leave some space for constructive doubt, debate and playing safe; but black holes? Seriously? The very black holes that astronomers the world over can even prove mathematically that they do not even "exist"? The same black holes with the immense values of temperature and pressure in their immediate radius? The black holes that trap anything close to them inside them forever and not even light can escape them (unless a quantic phenomenon occurs), hence they are black? Them, leading in another world? The remnants of a destroyed planet?

Gee, either journalists feed to the crowds fake stuff, or geniuses start loosing it past a certain age...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8642558.stm

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-35772714

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3548667/Black-holes-portal-universe-not-eternal-prison-says-Stephen-Hawking-launch-Harvard-initiative-study-strange-phenomenon.html

But:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2769156/Black-holes-NOT-exist-Big-Bang-Theory-wrong-claims-scientist-maths-prove-it.html

Is the man right in his brains? Is the journalist a con? Are there newer discoveries but scientists keep them classified? What the hell? Portals... To other worlds... ?!??!!?

P.S. Typo on name. I meant Hawking.
Your arrogance is astounding. First of all you are reading headlines, not articles or the source quotes they are written on. Stephen Hawking is an incredibly gifted and intelligent man and has done a lot of study of black holes among other things. There are some interesting theories regarding black holes being discusses recently.

Your condescension is not only very misplaced it exposes your own ignorance.
Posted June 12, 2016
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Shahabbabakhani: Your arrogance is astounding. First of all you are reading headlines, not articles or the source quotes they are written on. Stephen Hawking is an incredibly gifted and intelligent man and has done a lot of study of black holes among other things. There are some interesting theories regarding black holes being discusses recently.

Your condescension is not only very misplaced it exposes your own ignorance.
That is exactly why i also posed another question; IF THE JOURNALIST IS A CON and attributes to him things that he didn't actually say. I also agree that he is a genius.

But ever since i read him saying stuff about us meeting aliens, or that black holes are traversal portals, i started having doubts... I wanted to discuss on those lines, not play wisecrack. I am interested in OPINIONS of others and especially their educated guess, not to pass along my own, flawed one. And never did i say i am educated; inspite that, others rallied to belittle me. It is more than 1 decade i was in that club too, anyway.
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Posted June 12, 2016
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: So, everybody agrees then with Stephen, that them black holes are... Portals??
They're clearly not, my high school teacher would tell me otherwise. Also, just look around you - it's painfully apparent to anyone with a pair of eyes that Earth is flat and a central point of the universe.

Gee, this reminds me of conversations I've had with my mother in law who's a devout conservative Christian. "We look nothing like primates, clearly we've nothing in common with them!"
Posted June 12, 2016
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Fenixp: snip
I would appreciate an irony free conversation. Anyone would be startled by a widely accepted figure to suddenly start talking about "aliens" and "portals".
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Posted June 12, 2016
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: So, everybody agrees then with Stephen, that them black holes are... Portals??
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Fenixp: They're clearly not, my high school teacher would tell me otherwise. Also, just look around you - it's painfully apparent to anyone with a pair of eyes that Earth is flat and a central point of the universe.

Gee, this reminds me of conversations I've had with my mother in law who's a devout conservative Christian. "We look nothing like primates, clearly we've nothing in common with them!"
If nothing else, I suggest she takes a look at our skeletons. I was recently in London and visited the gorgeous Museum of Natural History, and it was incredible to see how similar practically all species are. Heck, even humans today have still remnants of features from when we were swimming in the oceans.


Oh, and Bradley, there is a pretty big world out there. Do you not think it's possible there are other life forms out there in the vast universe, throughout one of the many galaxies, with its millions of stars and planets?

I know individual humans like to think they are unique, and they sort of are, but come on... :D
Posted June 12, 2016
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: But ever since i read him saying stuff about us meeting aliens,
What exactly is your issue with this?

Do you expect there is no other life out there in the universe? We're getting closer and closer to finding signs of life in our own solar system, and lots of earth like planets through out the universe. The chances that whatever reaction that occurred here and sparked life as we know it has occurred on at least one other I would say are fairly high.

Meeting said aliens may be more difficult, we find it exceedingly difficult to both cooperate enough to do anything worth while and generally get into space to do anything useful, and I don't see any other alien race having it any easier.
Posted June 12, 2016
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: I would appreciate an irony free conversation. Anyone would be startled by a widely accepted figure to suddenly start talking about "aliens" and "portals".
Seems reasonable enough. You're catching too much flax for this topic. The discussion would be more interesting without all the scorn and sarcasm.
Posted June 12, 2016
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Shahabbabakhani: Your arrogance is astounding. First of all you are reading headlines, not articles or the source quotes they are written on. Stephen Hawking is an incredibly gifted and intelligent man and has done a lot of study of black holes among other things. There are some interesting theories regarding black holes being discusses recently.

Your condescension is not only very misplaced it exposes your own ignorance.
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: That is exactly why i also posed another question; IF THE JOURNALIST IS A CON and attributes to him things that he didn't actually say. I also agree that he is a genius.

But ever since i read him saying stuff about us meeting aliens, or that black holes are traversal portals, i started having doubts... I wanted to discuss on those lines, not play wisecrack. I am interested in OPINIONS of others, not to pass along my own, flawed one.
The ideas about other intteligent life-forms are one of the topics where the opinions of scientists go far apart from each other, some expect the probability for that be below 1% others expect it to be 99% but all of them agree that it's worth searching for it and speculating about the topic.
You can't exclude a possiblitiy as long as it isn't proven wrong, doing that would mean to ignore important data which can lead to false results.
Posted June 12, 2016
Good old Bradley. XD

Hey Brad, what are you gonna do if those aliens are gay!? You're gonna have to blow up their whole planet! :O
Posted June 12, 2016
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tinyE: Good old Bradley. XD

Hey Brad, what are you gonna do if those aliens are gay!? You're gonna have to blow up their whole planet! :O
If they exist and ever come our way, I rather hope they are gay rather than angry and armed ;)
Posted June 12, 2016
Oh this is beyond precious- Bradley criticising Stephen Hawking :D And of course he started by misspelling his name :D Oh man, this really is a good one.
Posted June 12, 2016
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: P.S. Typo on name. I meant Hawking.
Damn, I thought this was going to be about the famous scientist Stephard Hawkins, inventor of hardstep.
Posted June 12, 2016
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: to him playing politician and advising against Brexit,
Since this is a very strange thing to be dropping into a supposed critique of his scientific theories I would assume that this is basically what the OP's beef is. The "Leave" campaign has basically consisted a sustained string of character assassinations of pro-Remain supporters and the OP's posting history is consistent with this.

Regardless of your views on Brexit, Hawking is a highly respected astrophysicist whose theories have consistently held up to peer review. Physical theory is by its very nature "out there", but I doubt anyone here is really qualified to seriously put his theories in doubt.
Posted June 12, 2016
For the black holes / aliens part, Hawking is doing what he does best - theorizing and creating discussions.

For the Brexit part, he was one of 150 UK scientist signing a letter stating why it is best for UK science to stay in EU, and not leave (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-35772714). If this is his opinion, he is allowed to have it and say so to those who want to hear, and he can vote as he wants in a couple of weeks.
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