Plus I don't think Catte would likely lurk(or appear to lurk due to inactivity) so much if they were scum...especially after Yogs got voted out.....i.e. I think they'd try to appear townish by posting a bit more in this instance(other scum gone, etc).

No suspisionz for me this game? *GR has sad face nao* :(

Silliness aside, you forgot the crumbs I posted. I usually don't do that as scum(laziness, not knowing how to do it right/as confident I could pull such off as scum, etc). Of course, now that I said that I might have to change it up if i'm ever scum.....well if I remember to, anyhoo....

So will you be voting then? No rush, btw, just asking.

Also thanks for posting your thoughts as you said you would earlier.

As Micro sorta pointed out in Post 555, this doesn't really verify you're town....but I guess you already know that. :)

U2, fren :)

Lol

As for me, I never asked, I just assumed.....plus the fact that I didn't get a scum chat link both times kinda tipped me off ;D

Like three days maybe?

perhaps four?

Argh. Brainy not worky today. :-( I hope it's just a regular cold!

Yes, I will be putting my vote back. But I'm not that sure anymore about Micro. Maybe it's Catte or Pooka after all?

Although, for full disclosure, the difference is that in Micro's case I noticed that something was off without specifically looking for it. The choice of target, his survival, the entire stuff I went through. That just created the impression: "Huh, there is something off. This would fit better to scum than to town."

While in the case of Catte and Pooka I had to look for the possibility that they are scum. Both I had as leaning Town by feeling. But upon closer inspection, the Town tells that I thought I had evaporated.

So, initially, the difference is that I have some scum tells on Micro that might be false. While in the case of the other two I had town tells that might be false. I don't really know yet what to make of this. The way Micro reacted to my suspicions looks quite towny to me. Wouldn't scum Micro feel more threatened? ... But then again, such an understanding reaction can be faked too.

I really hope for more input from Catte and Pooka. Anything to break the indecision.

I need to pop off again in minutes, but I do hope you feel better soon, Lift!

yeah, sadly I often look somewhat scummy when town, even when i'm not trying to.

@GR, I forgot about the subtle crumbs, yeah.
And yeah, the first 2 lines flowed, while the rest just doesn't fit the meter I was going for. :(

And your poem totally convinced me, that you are Town! ;-) Or at least that you feel towny. :-)

My head is still hurting. And there is still nothing new from Catte and Pooka. So were' not closer to a decision.

As I see it we have two options.
- Either we kill Micro today. If he is scum, we win. If he is town, we'll be at LYLO tomorrow and have to decide between the surviving players. And scum probably won't make it easy for us by killing one of the suspect players.
- Or we kill someone else (Catte or Pooka, in that order of preference, in my opinion). Micro probably will survive the Night. Either because he is scum or because scum wants to make it look like he is scum. He might also get (or fake) a result from the Night. In that case we would have another Standoff and a choice between Micro and one other player.

But which way is better?

Hello everyone, sorry I was busy yesterday evening and have spent today doing various chores.

It's a possibility I didn't think of since that was before we'd even spotted the whole "everyone's a psychoanalyst" thing. All I knew at that point was that I was a psychoanalyst twice and that Yogs also had the same role twice (but I was assuming not a psychoanalyst). My assumption was based on the idea that Joe might have only rerolled alignments and then only swapped the roles of those whose alignment had changed.

You of course had insider information at that point already, knowing that you were a scum psychoanalyst in the first game and (presumably) a town psychoanalyst in the second. At that point only people whose alignment had changed would have had enough information to be certain I was wrong.

I didn't really consider it to be guessing game. I thought it was pretty obvious I was counterclaiming as at that point there was only one reason why I might disbelieve it. I had no inkling there might be multiple psychoanalysts until GR also claimed. You on the other hand would probably have had a good idea, as would Yogs seeing as he was presumably town in the first game.

Well Micro's read was unsubstantiated at that point and looked pretty weird. At that point I wasn't aware that scum were differentiated entirely by their modifiers, just that the whole town seemed to be psychoanalysts. It would be hypocritical of you to suggest I should have thought of that considering that's how you blew up the first attempt at this game. ;)

I agree with you conclusion that it is possible for me to be scum, but unfortunately I'm not.

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I'm kind of stumped. I agree that it's possible Micro is scum, but the thing that might have made me vote for him yesterDay turned out to be a case of crossed wires.

However the difference between the results you claim to have got as a scum psychoanalyst and what Micro claims to have got as a town psychoanalyst is interesting. It's possible Joe changed the way it worked between games or decided that a town analyst should be less effective than a scum analyst... but it seems more likely that one of you is lying.

It does rather seem like a bunch of us are conditional. Not sure what point there is in being a psychoanalyst if all they can diagnose is "conditional". I'm leaning towards Micro lying and Micro vs Yogs being a constructed standoff.

Hmm. Yes, maybe the difference was that I was scum analyzing a scumbuddy in the first game. Maybe it was Joe's way of telling us how our condition works, to give scum full information. However, that would be a roundabout way.

And yes, getting only 'Conditional' in a game where (almost) everyone is conditional would be quite useless. So getting the condition explained seems more reasonable.

But I'll not make my mind up today. I'm going to bed and hopefully have a clearer head tomorrow.

I don't like that half of your musings are based on the events of the aborted game, but it does make sense. I wouldn't put it behind Catte to use the flavor used in the abort and reroll to his advantage. He may be lurky, but he's a very prudent player no matter which side he plays for.

This is the moment I vote for catte as I got not much in terms of good things to say about, but he's already L-2 so I'll hold off now. For GR, it's mostly my gut, but after going back and forth with him, and thinking on his words on my own for a bit, I don't think he's the remaining scum like I used to think.

Micro I'm sure is Town. No way the standoff was a ballsy scum-scum encounter. And Lift? I think that's Town Lift here. I don't know how to put it to words, but he gives me that scumhunting vibe and I think it feels genuine.

I don't have much else to say today. Been shopping out in the morning and relaxing at night, and will soon turn myself to sleep.

Here's hoping, and fwiw I hope ya feel better soon :)

You seem a bit flip floppy.....almost like you're trying to buddy up to(pocket) as many town players as possible. That isn't the case, is it Lift? ;D

Jokes aside:

My take? If we can't come to a consensus, there's always a third option: NL

I know, I know......many don't like it and all....but maybe it'd help here. Right now if we lynch we run the risk of hitting a town and then being out 2 town when D4 starts, but if we NL then we'd narrow the player pool a bit more and only be out 1 town for sure on D4. Then the remaining town could try their best to pick from who is left.

Or we could vote someone off....but either way, we have to make a choice in short order, as we only have a few IRL days left to do so.

Well some psychoanalysts can find out another player's qualifiers/modifiers if the right conditions are met.....but that seems to be a very hard thing to do.

As for Micro: he's my current top suspect/voting choice, but (as I said to Lift) atm i'm wondering if town would benefit from a NL for D3 or not(to narrow the player pool during this time of indecision for some players and etc). What do you think?

Join the club :D

Speaking of: back then I didn't know about all the psychoanalyst stuff(i.e. the multiple such roles and the hobbling of a number of them).....I truly felt I had landed on a good/unique PR for this game, hence my trying to be subtle about my crumbling this time(as oPPosEd to PriOR games).

Then I find out as the game goes on that it's no so special/useful a role as I thought.....ah well, such is life.

Eh, I found it nice anyways. :)

I think you're missing the point. I wasn't talking about the failure we get when our conditions aren't met, I'm talking about Micro's apparently successful investigation saying Yogs was conditional but not what the condition was, which contrasts with Lift's claim to have been told what the condition was and not just that the target was conditional.

I guess it's possible you don't get an explanation of condition if you investigate someone on a different team from you? That would explain Lift getting an explanation of the condition because he investigated his team mate.

Full disclosure: I was partly skimming game posts tonight and posting replies(including questions/thoughts/musings) as they came to mind.

Speaking of, what is your answer to the question I asked in the post you just replied to?
(i.e. do you think a NL might be good for D3 or no? etc etc)

Speaking of Lift: in the pre-reboot game, he was the only one who got a successful result(of course, the pre-reboot game was VERY SHORT)....and in the post-reboot game only Micro got a successful result so far.

You think this means anything or do you think I might be just "chasing at shadows" as I sometimes do in these games?

@GR yes, I'm flip floppy. Because I'm unsure of my reads.

But I'm against no lynch. We would be at MYLO instead of LYLO Tomorrow, which doesn't really improved our chances. Unless scum is friendly enough to remove one of the most suspect players. So I'd rather lynch, hope to hit sun and if that fails get as much info as we can.

I'm still not sure and not feeling so well, so I won't be online much but more in bed. But I'll risk to re-vote. There are just too many things about Micro that add up better if he's scum than if he's town, that I think we have the best chance with lynching him. If course for him to be sun he also would have to be very daring to go along with such a Yogs scheme, but I think he can be. So:

vote Micro