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Ancient-Red-Dragon: There is no way to bring back physical games any more, for many reasons, i.e:

- Most computer users don't have optical drives any more.

- Publishers & devs choose not to make physical copies available because doing so means less profits for them (they have to print the discs, then give a cut to the retail store middlemen), etc.

- In the last few years before physical PC games stopped being sold, most of them were useless garbage anyway because the physical copies still were tied to the cancer that is Steam DRM, which made their technical existence as a physical copy an irrelevant moot point.

- In the years before that Steam infestation, instead of big beautiful boxes featuring glorious artwork, all physical boxes started to become tiny & underwhelming & not shelf-worthy.

- Ditto for devs/publishers skimping on manuals, which also used to be big & beautiful and full of lore and extraneous fluff that is not just about playing about the game. Instead they devolved either to having no manual at all, or a useless one that is only a few pages long.

I'd love for DRM-free physical games to be a thing, but that's simply never going to happen in reality. History went a different way, and it can't be reversed.
Disagree on all acounts.

1. You can put a game copy on flash drive, SD card and so on.

2. So? It's the choice. If people will be willing to pay for boxes (and they will if the contents would be worth it) devs can do that.

3. Obviously games can be sold without DRM - GOG is the prime example.

4. But there are still "collectors editions" and similar things even today.

5. I's basically #4 again.

Bottom line. It is still possible (and even reasonable) for some devs/publishers to make physical copies and sell them. Sure, those amount will be quite limited and their price will be high. Basically it will be "collectors edition" with full game on some drive inside. But it is still viable choice.
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Caesar.: I used to love physical releases. Age of Mythology's Collector's Edition was the best: https://ocolecioneiro.wordpress.com/2013/11/22/age-of-mythology-collectors-edition-2002-pc-uk/

But in this day and age, digital releases are just too practical. I still see potential in limited luxury physical editions for die-hard fans (special anniversary edition, a reward for bigger than usual crowdfunding backers...) including a lot of goodies.
I don't have that (unfortunately), but I have a "Age of Mythology Collection" I believe it's called. It only included both AoM and the Titans expansion. No additional goodies and the discs were just in 3 paper cases thrown willy nilly into the box. Still works perfectly though.

Whenever I can extend my physical library, I do so before any other alternatives. Even if the game requires activation or whatever, I like to have physical proof of my ownership of the game.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: There is no way to bring back physical games any more, for many reasons, i.e:

- Most computer users don't have optical drives any more.

- Publishers & devs choose not to make physical copies available because doing so means less profits for them (they have to print the discs, then give a cut to the retail store middlemen), etc.

- In the last few years before physical PC games stopped being sold, most of them were useless garbage anyway because the physical copies still were tied to the cancer that is Steam DRM, which made their technical existence as a physical copy an irrelevant moot point.

- In the years before that Steam infestation, instead of big beautiful boxes featuring glorious artwork, all physical boxes started to become tiny & underwhelming & not shelf-worthy.

- Ditto for devs/publishers skimping on manuals, which also used to be big & beautiful and full of lore and extraneous fluff that is not just about playing about the game. Instead they devolved either to having no manual at all, or a useless one that is only a few pages long.

I'd love for DRM-free physical games to be a thing, but that's simply never going to happen in reality. History went a different way, and it can't be reversed.
Physical does not have to be disc. It could very well be read-only USB sticks (example: Windows 10 is available on USB stick, DVD, and for download, Mac OS X 10.6 or 10.7 could be had on USB stick as well back in the day, before Apple moved to download-only with 10.7 or 10.8) or SD-cards, perhaps with a separate write-enabled partition for the user to store patches that eh main installer would automatically apply when re-installing the game.

I would whole-heartedly support such a movement, but yes, the rest of your points are very much valid.
Post edited August 24, 2018 by Maighstir
The physical market still exists, but it has become a niche and concerns almost only consoles, while the PC market has been completely swallowed up by Steam, so that the PC versions no longer come out in the physical version, or it comes with a stupid Steam code and without even a cd.

Unfortunately there aren't many possibilities for those who want to collect games, if not to buy expensive Collector's Edition (sometimes remarkable, other times full of useless junk) or turn to the many online stores specializing in releases for collectors, such as Limited Run Games and similar, which are mushrooming left and right, a sign that there is still demand.
put tts onum
I have zero interest in physical media. I don't miss the clutter, I certainly don't miss the hum and whine of optical drives (stark reminder after I got my PS4 pro) and I absolutely don't miss the complete lack of availability of games I actually wanted in my local stores.
Post edited August 24, 2018 by Pheace
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: - Most computer users don't have optical drives any more.
I believe a recent poll showed that, at least among GOG forum visitors, that is actually not the case.
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Yeshu: [...]
However, the problem seams to be that it's not about gamers not wanting to buy boxed games, but that those boxes (especially PC versions) do not provide anything beyond a game disc that doesn't even have the whole game on it
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are you sure about that? for me it is most definitely a good thing getting rid of all those boxes and maintaining / taking care of the disks. I have moved a couple of times, and each time now I got my game library with me wherever I go, no hassle.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: - Most computer users don't have optical drives any more.
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dtgreene: I believe a recent poll showed that, at least among GOG forum visitors, that is actually not the case.
Indeed. Here is the link to the poll results.
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Yeshu: Snip
Yeah, early on we got manuals and maps, maybe some immersing stuff like letters or postcards, codewheels, etc.,...
I miss these things.
But...would their return into games packages make me buy more physical games versions?
To be honest - I doubt it.
Sure - that stuff was great...however, back in the days we also got complete games in the package.
Today we don't get complete games - and all the fluff wouldn't change that.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: [...]
- Publishers & devs choose not to make physical copies available because doing so means less profits for them (they have to print the discs, then give a cut to the retail store middlemen), etc.
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you got this the wrong way around. it is for digital sales the publishes gives a cut to the stores from each sale (about 30% for most stores), while for physical the store buys the stock from the publisher, then resells it.
Sure don't want physical copies ever again, dust gathering, trying to store them, no thanks.
All of two games left over, find a home for them soon enough.
Maybe if i was a console gamer i'd have more, but i'm not so completely moot.
Make them limited and harp on nostalgia.




And yes, i too wish gog did physical boxes.
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Linko90: Make them limited and harp on nostalgia.

And yes, i too wish gog did physical boxes.
Indie Box makes some nice DRM free box editions. Why not make a deal with them?
https://theindiebox.com/
Post edited August 24, 2018 by Yeshu
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Linko90: Make them limited and harp on nostalgia.

And yes, i too wish gog did physical boxes.
Add a random chance to getting a limited edition physical edition to your digital purchase. Call them Loot Boxes :p