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Posted May 31, 2015
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EBToriginal: I like how people refuse to even conceive of the notion that it was rejected due to not being very good.
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Supremtin: I like how you cant conceive of the notion that there are way more worse games here than hatred(gameplay wise)
This argument puzzles me the most. By all accounts it seems to be a relatively pricey game for the amount of content and, according to a lot of early comments, is not only short but also repetitive. And it seems to be a bit buggy right now.

If there are other games like that already sold here, does anyone really want to add another one? Is that the standard you honestly think GOG should aim for, or do you want an exception to be made for this one apparently not so good title just because of the controversy?

The only argument to overlook that seems to be "because if GOG doesn't, it's censorship". But why is it censorship to turn down an apparently buggy, short, overpriced game? (putting aside that it really, really isn't censorship)

If it's not very good then it's a waste of space selling it, unless you feel that GOG should sell pretty much every game thrown it's way regardless of price, quality or amount of bugs (all of which Hatred seems to raise warning flags for).

A brief flash in the pan controversy which will be forgotten just as quickly a few months down the line just isn't a good enough reason to demand this must be sold, when the game in question doesn't appear to be up to much.
Post edited May 31, 2015 by Timelord1963
Posted May 31, 2015
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Grargar: You're wrong. He says <span class="bold">Just according to Keikaku</span>.
Ending with Judas cackling maniacally while he takes a potato chip and EATS IT! While deciding who will be next in his game note.
Post edited May 31, 2015 by j0ekerr
Posted May 31, 2015
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j0ekerr: Well, I think GOG's reaction to hatred is as follows.

"This is a shitstorm in the making. Let's just wait until it blows over and then we'll see."

Sensible enough attitude.
You don't use logic in this thread! You either complain about GOG censoring Hatred or start having an emo attack, (thus showing that this game is not for angst teenagers but for mature older people who like to think out of the picture) and start calling random users thing among "sheep" to "motherfucking fucker motherfucker son of a bitch"
Posted May 31, 2015
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DCT: That is vauge as hell and could mean many things, the asking price was too high, the game had issues, whatever.
Honestly I may have missed a few posts but I don't think I recall seeing anyone meantion that it was fine if GOG rejected it based on the game's premise. Just that GOG is free to reject stuff because it is their store and unlike Steam has become they are picky on what they approve and yes they do make silly decisions Cat Lady, Xenonauhts, Avernum: Escape from the pit all rejected granted they changed their minds and accepted them sure but they were still rejected and some for dumb reasons like being too high for a indy game.

Now I will agree that if they did reject Hatred for it's premise while selling Postal 1 which is the same damn thing just older(same as in your a guy going level to level on a shooting spree killing cops and civilians). It would be wrong but again there is no proof that they did that.
Pretty much. We can only guess at this point. Still, Hatred is at the top of the GoG wishlist, has numerous threads plastered over the forum (some would say too many!), and this very thread is huge. People seem very interested, so it’s a... curious decision.
Post edited May 31, 2015 by markrichardb
Posted May 31, 2015
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Supremtin: just more reasons why people should stop defending cdpr and accept that they are a bunch of hypocrites
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DCT: Hypocrite? okay point to me where it's stated that Hatred was rejected for it's controversial subject matter?
As far as I can tell no one knows why it was rejected outside of GOG themselves and probley the devs and neither side is elaborating on it. All I ever seen the Devs say on the subject was that they were told "it was good but they(GOG) just couldn't sell it"

That is vauge as hell and could mean many things, the asking price was too high, the game had issues, whatever.
Honestly I may have missed a few posts but I don't think I recall seeing anyone meantion that it was fine if GOG rejected it based on the game's premise. Just that GOG is free to reject stuff because it is their store and unlike Steam has become they are picky on what they approve and yes they do make silly decisions Cat Lady, Xenonauhts, Avernum: Escape from the pit all rejected granted they changed their minds and accepted them sure but they were still rejected and some for dumb reasons like being too high for a indy game.

Now I will agree that if they did reject Hatred for it's premise while selling Postal 1 which is the same damn thing just older(same as in your a guy going level to level on a shooting spree killing cops and civilians). It would be wrong but again there is no proof that they did that. Yet you sit there and get all raging keyboard warrior about it, calling them hypocrites and insulting anyone who disargees, like there is anything more then pure unfounded speculation that was the case.

You and others like you sit there and bitch about the Social Justice warrior crap and yet in the end you act no better then they do, you are the epitomy of being the diffrent side of the same coin because that level of irrational behaviour is the same crap you get from those who claim to be opposed to, making you no better then they are and so the only hypocrite based on what I have seen here is you. Because you seem to act like your better but your not, your as close minded, ingorant and blind to anything that casts doubts on your crazy notions just like those you condemn.
first of all youre being a fanboy how many times does gog have to flop for you to realize they aren't as good as you guys think them to be, why are you still defending gog the only reason this game got rejected is exactly the same reason why steam pulled it of from greenlight and also the same reason why twitch is now banning AO games, gog just doesn't support the games content and they know theyre going to receive a lot of hate when they come clean and say it so they are going to keep quiet and have funboys like you defend them cause if theres stil a probability of them being right there will be atleast one funboy to find it plus means to use it to defend them(I mean why come clean and ruin the chance for some funboy to defend you on the basis of maybe)
THIS is just what cdpr those they make a probability sit on their asses refuse to comment and have people defend them, if the witcher 3 downgrade didn't teach you that then am afraid youre too funboyish to ever find fault with gog and will forever defend them as long as they keep quiet and leave the possibility of them being right
Post edited May 31, 2015 by Supremtin
Posted May 31, 2015
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Primo_Victoria: The reasons why GOG refused it can be many, but because the zealots wanted the game to be banned, it raises a question whether GOG agreed with them or not.
Yeah, I get that, because of the reception, there is a possibility of another reason for GOG to reject the game. Nonetheless, to make such argument, you need some sort of evidence - either a pattern of GOG refusing all controversial games, which has not been established yet, or GOG right away saying the controversy is that reason, which they did not do.

Which brings me back to my original argument - as long as people are easy to manipulate, it would seem all I need to do for my game to get backing and pressure to be sold is to make it controversial. Now that is a dangerous precendent for players to set, yet they're all too happy to do it anyway.

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Primo_Victoria: b) I believe the support for Hatred started when it was taken off Steam Greenlight. Again, the indication that the game would be banned, "censored" or otherwise made unavailable is what created this band of supporters of the game, who feel the right to make their own decisions about what is right for them.
Yeah, and, to be fair, the outrage over it being taken off Greenlight makes a lot more sense. I still believe that Steam should have freedom to refuse to sell anything they want, nonetheless, Gabe Newell himself decided that the game should be on Steam, which pretty much blows that argument out of the water, and secondly, Greenlight has been put into place to allow for community curation (which failed miserably, but oh well.) It seems bonkers to refuse community the privilege you claimed to have given them in the first place. Of course, then there's the thing of Valve as a monopoly in PC market and a game being or not being there is pretty much an existencial matter.

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Supremtin: gained nothing from it? we got to put some hypocrites and sjws in their place
You did not put anybody in "his place". In fact, your posts still have zero impact on me, even in spite of you making a ton of them. It only took Primo_Victoria two posts to make an impact.
Post edited May 31, 2015 by Fenixp
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Supremtin: I like how you cant conceive of the notion that there are way more worse games here than hatred(gameplay wise)
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Timelord1963: This argument puzzles me the most. By all accounts it seems to be a relatively pricey game for the amount of content and, according to a lot of early comments, is not only short but also repetitive. And it seems to be a bit buggy right now.

If there are other games like that already sold here, does anyone really want to add another one? Is that the standard you honestly think GOG should aim for, or do you want an exception to be made for this one apparently not so good title just because of the controversy?

The only argument to overlook that seems to be "because if GOG doesn't, it's censorship". But why is it censorship to turn down an apparently buggy, short, overpriced game? (putting aside that it really, really isn't censorship)

If it's not very good then it's a waste of space selling it, unless you feel that GOG should sell pretty much every game thrown it's way regardless of price, quality or amount of bugs (all of which Hatred seems to raise warning flags for).

A brief flash in the pan controversy which will be forgotten just as quickly a few months down the line just isn't a good enough reason to demand this must be sold, when the game in question doesn't appear to be up to much.
if any of what youre saying is true don't you think cdpr would know this and let us all know so people stop hating on them and stop calling them names, but they wont cause people like you exist to cover their butholes for them provided they keep quiet about everything, again just like the witcher, they could have just come clean and said hey we downgraded the game, but they didn't cause the backlash would be massive but instead they left it to their funboys to speculate ways of them being right in order to defend them

Here you go another one , sorry I cant really shorten them I want you to read every little bits of them :D
Post edited May 31, 2015 by Supremtin
Posted May 31, 2015
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Timelord1963: This argument puzzles me the most. By all accounts it seems to be a relatively pricey game for the amount of content and, according to a lot of early comments, is not only short but also repetitive. And it seems to be a bit buggy right now.

If there are other games like that already sold here, does anyone really want to add another one? Is that the standard you honestly think GOG should aim for, or do you want an exception to be made for this one apparently not so good title just because of the controversy?

The only argument to overlook that seems to be "because if GOG doesn't, it's censorship". But why is it censorship to turn down an apparently buggy, short, overpriced game? (putting aside that it really, really isn't censorship)

If it's not very good then it's a waste of space selling it, unless you feel that GOG should sell pretty much every game thrown it's way regardless of price, quality or amount of bugs (all of which Hatred seems to raise warning flags for).

A brief flash in the pan controversy which will be forgotten just as quickly a few months down the line just isn't a good enough reason to demand this must be sold, when the game in question doesn't appear to be up to much.
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Supremtin: if any of what youre saying is true don't you think cdpr would know this and let us all know so people stop hating on them and stop calling them names, but the wont cause people like you exist to cover their butholes for them provided the keep quiet about everything, again just like the witcher, they could have just come clean and said hey we downgraded the game, but they didn't cause the backlash would be massive but instead the left it to their funboys to speculate ways of them being right in order to defend them
You're the only one hating on them; for a game, nonetheless.
Very mature, by the way
Posted May 31, 2015
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Supremtin: if any of what youre saying is true don't you think cdpr would know this and let us all know so people stop hating on them and stop calling them names, but the wont cause people like you exist to cover their butholes for them provided the keep quiet about everything, again just like the witcher, they could have just come clean and said hey we downgraded the game, but they didn't cause the backlash would be massive but instead the left it to their funboys to speculate ways of them being right in order to defend them
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Nipoti: You're the only one hating on them; for a game, nonetheless.
Very mature, by the way
clearly you havnt visited this page yet http://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/hatred
Posted May 31, 2015
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Nipoti: You're the only one hating on them; for a game, nonetheless.
Very mature, by the way
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Supremtin: clearly you havnt visited this page yet http://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/hatred
Woah! More mature people screming for their "freedom"!
Posted May 31, 2015
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Primo_Victoria: The reasons why GOG refused it can be many, but because the zealots wanted the game to be banned, it raises a question whether GOG agreed with them or not.
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Fenixp: Yeah, I get that, because of the reception, there is a possibility of another reason for GOG to reject the game. Nonetheless, to make such argument, you need some sort of evidence - either a pattern of GOG refusing all controversial games, which has not been established yet, or GOG right away saying the controversy is that reason, which they did not do.

Which brings me back to my original argument - as long as people are easy to manipulate, it would seem all I need to do for my game to get backing and pressure to be sold is to make it controversial. Now that is a dangerous precendent for players to set, yet they're all too happy to do it anyway.
I maintain that the Hatred trailer showed exactly what the game is about, that's why I'd say the manipulation came from the bloggers, using a crowd of easily outraged San Francisco rejects to pick up their pitchforks. I was also told by a USman that there is sensitivity about the subject because of the multiple shootings in the USA, which perhaps makes the US crowd easier to manipulate.

When I saw the trailer the first time, I wanted to buy the game because it transgresses rules in a bleak way, without humour and apologies. I don't think many adults share my vision, probably only angry teenagers who don't even have money to buy it.

Either way, I got it on Desura and I'm not blaming GOG. I think it's good that they don't explain their decisions openly.
Posted May 31, 2015
I just want GOG to say why they won't carry this game, but they'll offer a shit ton of half-assed games from other devs. They owe Destructive Creations an explanation as well as the fans. They can't tout their customer first attitude and then stay silent on this. It's hypocritical. If they think Hatred is too much, then they've got a litany of games to pull from their library.And to cap it all off, Steam and Desura don't give a fuck, lol. What happened to CDPR?
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Posted May 31, 2015
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Primo_Victoria: I think it's good that they don't explain their decisions openly.
I hope you remember that the next time they screw up lol
Posted May 31, 2015
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tinyE: I've never played Fahrenheit, or even considered getting it, but I just wishlisted it.

This whole mess of a thread may be GOG's clever ploy to get me to purchase the handful of games here I don't already have.
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Supremtin: am pretty sure that's too complicated for them to have fabricated
I'm not in here fighting with you, there is no reason to sling your pissy comments at me.
Posted May 31, 2015
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Garrison72: I just want GOG to say why they won't carry this game, but they'll offer a shit ton of half-assed games from other devs. They owe Destructive Creations an explanation as well as the fans. They can't tout their customer first attitude and then stay silent on this. It's hypocritical. If they think Hatred is too much, then they've got a litany of games to pull from their library.And to cap it all off, Steam and Desura don't give a fuck, lol. What happened to CDPR?
the only reason this game got rejected is exactly the same reason why steam pulled it of from greenlight and also the same reason why twitch is now banning AO games, gog just doesn't support the games content and they know theyre going to receive a lot of hate when they come clean and say it so they are going to keep quiet and have funboys defend them cause if theres stil a probability of them being right there will be atleast one funboy to find it plus means to use it to defend them(I mean why come clean and ruin the chance for some funboy to defend you on the basis of maybe)
THIS is just what cdpr those they make a probability sit on their asses refuse to comment and have people defend them, if the witcher 3 downgrade didn't teach you this then I don't know what will
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