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zeogold: Guys, cut the OP a little slack. At least he's actually reading the privacy policy, paying attention to it, and asking GOG for clarification on it. Even if most of you consider it a stupid/pointless question, at least he's actually pursuing an answer/clarification. As I think Breja mentioned in another thread, I'd rather GOG feel like their community is watchdogging them and actually checking up on their honesty rather than just letting them do whatever the heck they want. This may be a trivial matter, but at least GOG knows that people are watching what they're doing and will call them out on it.
Seriously, your replies have actually been fair (aside from implying earlier that I was angry or irrational), hence why I think I've given them fair replies. Most of the people here have either completely ignored what I was discussing in the OP, or just devolved into strawmen and insults. But then, if they have no interest in reading things they agree to, I suppose I can't expect them to actually read what I wrote.

Anyway, I've said about all that I have a desire to say in this topic, as obviously nothing overly productive is coming from it. I guess I'll just wait on GOG's response. And if other people don't have a desire to read and consider what they're agreeing to, at least hopefully it won't end up impacting me.
Post edited June 02, 2016 by terrisus
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terrisus: (aside from implying earlier that I was angry or irrational)
I was actually referring to Tauto when I said that. Dunno how long you've been around here, but he's basically a known troll.
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terrisus: (aside from implying earlier that I was angry or irrational)
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zeogold: I was actually referring to Tauto when I said that. Dunno how long you've been around here, but he's basically a known troll.
Ah, I apologize. I've had an account here for a while, but haven't used the message boards much (obviously).
Again, I apologize for reading that comment wrong, and I guess we're good then :)
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terrisus: Most of the people here have either completely ignored what I was discussing in the OP, or just devolved into strawmen and insults.
Well, you're in a GOG community, so people around here are pretty quickly bound to support GOG whenever something springs up, whether it be fair or not. I think it's also partially because there have been a lot of threads recently about Connect, and people are getting kind of sick of it.
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terrisus: Anyway, I've said about all that I have a desire to say in this topic, as obviously nothing overly productive is coming from it. I guess I'll just wait on GOG's response. And if other people don't have a desire to read and consider what they're agreeing to, at least hopefully it won't end up impacting me.
Yup, nothing to do but wait and see. I suspect that their response will be somewhat similar to mine, though. It's pretty highly unlikely that Valve would have any jurisdiction over your games here on GOG. GOG DOES have the right to remove your games from your GOG library if they get removed from your Steam library, but if you really were all THAT concerned about this happening, you could just download the DRM-free copy as soon as you get it, then it's yours for good whether it's removed or not.
Post edited June 02, 2016 by zeogold
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terrisus: Seriously, your replies have actually been fair (aside from implying earlier that I was angry or irrational), hence why I think I've given them fair replies. Most of the people here have either completely ignored what I was discussing in the OP, or just devolved into strawmen and insults. But then, if they have no interest in reading things they agree to, I suppose I can't expect them to actually read what I wrote.
because you actually pay attention to the forum other then your own thread
you may have actually noticed that there are at least 5 different threads on the first page about the same general topic
and those are just the ones i am aware off on the first page
god knows how many times this subject or a variation there of has been passed today or yesterday and will be posted in the coming days

most people responding already have seen most of the arguments made about this subject
and are a bit tired of it

and it only has just begun
...brilliant
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zeogold: Guys, cut the OP a little slack. At least he's actually reading the privacy policy, paying attention to it, and asking GOG for clarification on it. Even if most of you consider it a stupid/pointless question, at least he's actually pursuing an answer/clarification. As I think Breja mentioned in another thread, I'd rather GOG feel like their community is watchdogging them and actually checking up on their honesty rather than just letting them do whatever the heck they want. This may be a trivial matter, but at least GOG knows that people are watching what they're doing and will call them out on it.
I disagree because of his first paragraph,

"In response to the email sent out by GOG with regards to their updated privacy policy, I have sent GOG the following request. I would encourage others to read the full changes to the privacy policy (which were certainly not covered with any sort of rigor in GOG's email) and take their own actions as they see fit. Regardless of your feelings on Valve/Steam, this addition to GOG's own policies represents a significant shift in terms of what they are bringing forth onto users who may find themselves now under this agreement."

The portion that has him upset in a bunch basically says if something gets screwed up using the steam api, don't blame steam/valve. In the second paragraph, " I absolutely refuse to agree to section II ". The optional service uses steam api, and this mitigates any damage which would most likely happen to the users steam library.

It's just stupid drama based on ignorance, and trying to get others upset.
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terrisus: Most of the people here have either completely ignored what I was discussing in the OP, or just devolved into strawmen and insults.
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zeogold: Well, you're in a GOG community, so people around here are pretty quickly bound to support GOG whenever something springs up, whether it be fair or not. I think it's also partially because there have been a lot of threads recently about Connect, and people are getting kind of sick of it.
damn it !
why yu ninja me !?
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terrisus: We're not talking about "Acts of God" wording here - which I am well acquainted with, having worked in various positions with contracts with those types of wording, and needing to enforce them.

This isn't "Acts of God," though.
This is "IN NO EVENT WILL VALVE OR ANY SUPPLIER BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES"

So: "In no event" + "Any"

Sorry if you felt I was ignoring you, just figured it didn't need repeating.
You went too literal, dear terrisus

What I was trying to say is that, in legal matter, is normal to use that kind of language as companies tries to minimize any future damage against them; which you already know since you are well acquainted with

Again, in practice, the legal premise is: Whosoever causes damage to another by X, Y, or Z, is bound to make it good, which means that does not matter what Valve, SONY, Samsung or any other brand does -or avoid-, whenever they injures someone, the law enforces them to repair it; the difficult part is, whose responsibility is it.
Good news!

Hello, as stated even in the part you quoted, Steam Connect is optional - because of that you are absolutely not required to use it. If you, however, wish to, you have to follow these rules - but only then.

Regards,
Natalia
GOG.com Support
That's all I was really looking for - assurance that you only had to follow those rules if you were using that program.
I know others will say that was obvious (as she did as well), but I just wanted to have it officially stated.
Issue addressed, without all of that melodrama from earlier in this topic necessary.

Hopefully, though, there doesn't come a time when the use of this program is forced onto people (e.g. "Buy GameX and get the Steam copy for free!" -> "You can't buy this game if you don't get the Steam copy" or anything like that).


Also, again, I would highly recommend other people reading the terms they are agreeing to before they blindly accept and install stuff.
In my opinion it would be far better if no one made use of this program, leading to the including of Steam DRM rules for GOG games for those people - and possibly further encouragement that people are willing to accept that sort of stuff.

But, that's a decision for the rest of you. And, from this topic, obviously most people don't actually like/care about reading, and do just blindly accept things that are put in front of them. So, c'est la vie.
Carry on.