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Johnathanamz: Move to North Korea and have the government tell you what you can and cannot say if you do not value freedom of speech.

Go on tell me how life is like in North Korea for you.
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Enebias: What the fRANK (redactd, redacted!) does North Korea have to do with anything now?

I said: the "freedom of speech" crowd now wants this game banned, and it's hilarious.
In a twisted, demented way.
Did I misread your comment then?

Ok my bad I did misread your comment. I did not judge when I read I did not see the quotations when you said "muh freedom of speech people".
Post edited May 02, 2021 by Johnathanamz
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Let's ban all games where one or both sides gets shot. Let's ban fighting games, too. Why not ban visual novels, since those only attract perverts? Can't have anyone being violent or "playing" one-handed. Text adventures have to go, also. Words are bad and hurt people. Might as well get rid of any game where someone loses. Losing makes people feel bad. Just make all games award a participation trophy/achievement for starting the game and then roll credits. There could be a huge cinematic "You win!" and then another achievement, after that.

Doesn't all of that sound fun?
Post edited May 02, 2021 by DoomSooth
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Enebias: I said: the "freedom of speech" crowd now wants this game banned, and it's hilarious.
In a twisted, demented way.
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morolf: "Freedom of speech" crowd? Where are my comments in which I argue freedom of speech means propaganda games calling for political violence (whether left-wing, right-wing, or whatever) should be sold on Gog?
Unless you find such comments by me, your argument is meaningless.
Did I say "morolf"? I didn't say morolf.
I said somebody here. And I'm not going to search posts and link them here because frankly -apart from them becoming a direct attack towards someone, generally frowned upon- I don't care enough to make any effort. A bit like you claims about Red Conspiracies™! XD
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morolf: The game was created by committed far leftists whose goal seems to be some sort of anarcho-syndicalist utopia. If you create that kind of game, you're obviously sympathetic to political violence, imo the goal of the game clearly is creating sympathy for such political violence by making it appear fun and playful.
But of course, if you want to remain wilfully blind to the propagandistic intent behind this game, it's your choice.
Right, the same line moral crusaders have always used: video games are murder simulators that award you for killing people and turn you in to a psychopath.
If you can't distinguish a video game from real actual actions, I suggest you don't play any. Or read any books. Or watch movies.
Which war themed games do you want to remove from GOG? They are trying to make toppling governments, destroying property, and wanton murder seem fun and playful.
Or is it just this one game you oppose because it happens to clash with your particular ideas?
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Enebias: Did I say "morolf"? I didn't say morolf.
I said somebody here. And I'm not going to search posts and link them here because frankly -apart from them becoming a direct attack towards someone, generally frowned upon- I don't care enough to make any effort. A bit like you claims about Red Conspiracies™! XD
Well, Morolf is the creator of this thread, and most people commenting here have been hostile to my proposal, so the "free speech crowd" you mentioned seems to only exist in your imagination.
And it's not a conspiracy, the intention behind this game is pretty transparent after all. It's propaganda intended to make political violence look fun and legitimate.
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morolf: The game was created by committed far leftists whose goal seems to be some sort of anarcho-syndicalist utopia.
As a tourist in a pre-coronavirus reality, I have visited a museum of collected artworks created by political prisoners. What I can say is that it was art, like any other, and whatever you saw was created in your own mind.

Even if what you say is true, this remains a game and should be treated as such, unless it becomes linked to a radical group that goes outside the rule of law.
Post edited May 02, 2021 by WinterSnowfall
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Enebias: Did I say "morolf"? I didn't say morolf.
I said somebody here. And I'm not going to search posts and link them here because frankly -apart from them becoming a direct attack towards someone, generally frowned upon- I don't care enough to make any effort. A bit like you claims about Red Conspiracies™! XD
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morolf: Well, Morolf is the creator of this thread, and most people commenting here have been hostile to my proposal, so the "free speech crowd" you mentioned seems to only exist in your imagination.
And it's not a conspiracy, the intention behind this game is pretty transparent after all. It's propaganda intended to make political violence look fun and legitimate.
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Enebias: Did I say "morolf"? I didn't say morolf.
I said somebody here. And I'm not going to search posts and link them here because frankly -apart from them becoming a direct attack towards someone, generally frowned upon- I don't care enough to make any effort. A bit like you claims about Red Conspiracies™! XD
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morolf: Well, Morolf is the creator of this thread, and most people commenting here have been hostile to my proposal, so the "free speech crowd" you mentioned seems to only exist in your imagination.
And it's not a conspiracy, the intention behind this game is pretty transparent after all. It's propaganda intended to make political violence look fun and legitimate.
xkcd.com/1357/

Read it.
Understand it.
Deal with it.


Everybody who is NOT thinking the same way you do has the same right to express his feelings and thoughts about your idea.
THAT is freedom of speech.
It does NOT mean, that you will just see nodding heads. That is the right wing idea of freedom of speech. It shall exist as long as nobody things different.
Post edited May 02, 2021 by randomuser.833
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Anyway, I don't have time for long discussions about this issue (most of you so far are totally missing the point anyway, and I don't feel like educating wilfully ignorant people who choose not to use their mental faculties). I think I've made my views clear enough, those who agree with me can vote on my Wishlist entry to protest against this "game", which should have never slipped through Gog's curation.
Post edited May 02, 2021 by morolf
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morolf: Anyway, I don't have time for long discussions about this issue (most of you so far are totally missing the point anyway, and I don't feel like educating wilfully ignorant people). I think I've made my views clear enough, those who agree with me can vote on my Wishlist entry to protest against this "game", which should have never slipped through Gog's curation.
Asking to remove a video game from being sold because it has molotov cocktails and whatever Tonight We Riot has is the definition of censorship of freedom of speech dude.
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morolf: Anyway, I don't have time for long discussions about this issue (most of you so far are totally missing the point anyway, and I don't feel like educating wilfully ignorant people who choose not to use their mental faculties). I think I've made my views clear enough, those who agree with me can vote on my Wishlist entry to protest against this "game", which should have never slipped through Gog's curation.
I think we have seen the definition of snowflake.
Post edited May 02, 2021 by randomuser.833
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How long before someone makes a wishlist entry to vote off the original poster's wishlist entry?
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morolf: I think I've made my views clear enough, those who agree with me can vote on my Wishlist entry to protest against this "game", which should have never slipped through Gog's curation.
Fair enough. I don't think anyone's missed your point, however most of the people don't agree with it. And I believe we're all fully using our mental capacities, yourself included.

One last thing, maybe it will change your mind a bit - one can only hope. According to what you are saying, you are a political activist that is clearly trying to push his political anti-agenda on the game devs. Should we remove you from GOG as well, eh? :P

I will now also take my leave of this thread that reminded me of cold-war era neighborhood commie/red hunts.
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WinterSnowfall: One last thing, maybe it will change your mind a bit - one can only hope. According to what you are saying, you are a political activist that is clearly trying to push his political anti-agenda on the game devs. Should we remove you from GOG as well, eh? :P
Political propaganda games of ANY kind shouldn't be sold on Gog imo. This would be in line with the ban on political discussions in the forum (which I generally support).
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morolf: Political propaganda games of ANY kind shouldn't be sold on Gog imo. This would be in line with the ban on political discussions in the forum (which I generally support).
The problem with what you are saying is that it is very hard to define what is what when fictional worlds are involved. What you see is not what everyone sees. "Clear political propaganda" may be lost on eyes that simply do not care, expect politics in a game, nor are influenced by it.

Where do we draw the line? Does The Witcher promote anti-globalization because it depicts Nilfgaard as a conquering empire that refuses to let other be? Perhaps.

If the link you want to establish is though affiliation, as in what the devs think politically, well, we should ban all games. I don't think this is what you are saying, but I have to ask: if the same devs made an entirely non-political game, would you be OK with it being sold here, considering their political inclinations?
Post edited May 02, 2021 by WinterSnowfall