Again, sorry about the long post. I'm finding this a really, really slippery game to keep my hold on. Play styles seems to favour if X then Y logic that I absolutely suck at.

Notes from re-reading:

You know what, I could get behind lynching Joe. Sure he was in my "leaning town" camp but this kill claim has blown everything up for me. I actually think what SPF says in #1300 makes a lot of sense. In fact I would go so far as to say this is the most sensible post of the whole day so far.

Throwback:
Three power roles? This is post 883, the only claims at this point were SPF, ZFR and cristi; the only flip was Vitek. Possibly just semantics, but I don't count "Miller" as a PR, that's more of a "debilitating condition" than anything powerful... A slip? Someone who is better at logic want to do the if mafia!trent then ???!ZFR dance?

Also pinging me is that trent unvotes cristi in #921 claiming he's now looking sideways at SPF for claiming roleblocker, given yogs' research. Why then? Why at that moment? Hadn't we already gone through all of the "roleblocker is NAI" already?

My god. I'm using acronyms. Someone shoot me.
No wait not what I meant.

That.. is actually a good point. Though I do think the no-lunch did wonders to make all of Town supremely confused doing into D2, and even now (not to mention hungry).

How do I feel about adaliabookwyrms? Would happily put under thumbscrews. Though I typed that, then ran into these detailed reads Wyrm just gave, some of which chime true with me, so I'm waaay less sure about that than an hour ago. Has inexplicably started to make much more sense to me.

My feeling recently here is that there has been some significant developments but weird reactions to them. For a start, did anyone else apart from bler notice trent claiming out of the blue in #1296? Thoughts? (Personally I can still read him as scum... would lynch.)

The other thing is that there's so much meta discussion flying around about knowing people better than that and play styles that I feel at a significant disadvantage. I don't think my reads in this respect are worth acting on (so far I've suspected a flipped town, and accidentally come in at #3 on the wagon which hampers my plan to go all statistics on this.)

I have no idea who to vote for. :<

Aww Damn... I'm sorry. To be completely honest, I don't think this game can take another sub. We've had three and a half already.

*shrug* My sympathies on the time thing; you aren't the only one.

I figure the rest of us will play on and hope for the best.

Indeed, there are no more subs. There are no more breaks. If Forum Mafia isn't for you, there's no worries about that. Many people underestimate the time and mental resources it takes to play this game... and just imagine... over on Mafia Universe there are literally thousands of posts per 24-hour period in a typical game!

That said, let's not get ourselves mod-killed, shall we? Please just stick it out until the end of this game. Do the best you can so we can all part as friends when it's over.

Don’t quit, try for at least one meaningful post a day if at all possible. Just think Buzz lightyear, Never give up never surrender.

If you do have some info on someone I would like to hear it,


I see little to no progress has been made toward lynching anyone, color me surprised. I’ll just peek in every now and then to see if anything of interest is said, otherwise I’ve stated who I think we need to lynch.

Just for you yogs
Brig SirPrimalform

@Damnation: I agree! Please try to stick around! Another replacement would really be bad and a modkill even worse.

Other than that, I have nothing to add right now. We seem to be stuck. Again. But it's time to go to bed anyhow, so good night.

Hey Damnation, sorry to hear it's still hard to find time. I agree with the others that the chances of another sub are slim-to-nothing and modkills are ugly things indeed.

If you can manage to stay in the game at all I'm sure we'd be grateful, but it's not my intention to put pressure on you.

@everyone: I thought the point of the extension was to allow us to sort things out tonight without a mad rush, not to take the day off and have the mad rush tomorrow night instead. :P

ping. Can you answer #1317?

Lifthrasil's lunch doesn't seem to be going anywhere. Bler thinks we should lynch SirPrimalform, and if Bler's not the town cop then I'll eat his hat.

If we're pretty confident that there is a doctor now, it looks even less likely that there'd be a town roleblocker. As much as I'm taken by SirP's "I'm angry at you because you convinced me that I'd blocked the nightkill." It could be a ruse.

Dang, no... I'm not confident with it.


Trent has softclaimed against advice, then hard claimed without prompting. Buuuut, there was that one time he ate an entire snickers bar to himself.

It's DEFINITELY ZFR (good band name), but he can wait until the end game for a final showdown.

Still feeling none too confident but I should be able to trust Bler, which at least gives us a sporting chance of his having picked cylon.

unvote Lifthrasil

vote SirPrimalform

I'm not still angry. :P

I do think that lynching you will allow vital interpretation of your wagons though, sorry (if you are town).

No, town!ZFR does not imply town!Damn. There was a chance of the ZFR wagon not going through with a few people declining it, so scum!Damn might take a chance on digging out another PR (like Cristi).

OK. Reread D1. Thoroughly. Thought it over.

*If* town!ZFR implies town!Damnation, then:

If not bler, yogsloth, and damnation, I'm left with

(at most one of ele, Joe) + trent, Lift, SirP, Bookwyrms.

Now even voting at random on the latter four gives me 50% chance if there is a GF and 75% if there isn't..

Assuming no GF:
_ SPF/trent as scumbuddies seem not possible since trent would have corraborated SPF's story that he was blocked.
_ Lift/trent had a few altercations. Not probable to be scumbuddies either, (though not impossible).
So trio would be SPF/Bookwyrm/Lift.
Problem with the above trio is: in his extensive posts 1119 and 1120 and the later one Bookwyrm named Lift and SPF as possible scum, while pretty strongly labelling myself, trent and yogsloth as town (this was before all the claims). Would he do that if the above were the scum trio? he could easily throw some shade on myself and trent.
Also, there is a weak indication that SPF/Bookwyrm can't be scumbuddies because Bookwyrm remained on SPF's wagon after the latter claimed. Though that could be explained by the fact that he knew SPF's wagon won't happen anyway.

Therefore, since no sensible trio can be formed from the 4, I reach the conclusion that there has to be a GF in ele or Joe.

If ele is the GF, SPF has to be town, since ele wouldn't put him at L-1. I know I did that with masons, but I don't see it happening the way it did on D1. I don't hower see Lift and trent being scumbuddies, nor ele and Bookwyrm due to their behaviour. Not 100% sure. But neither of the trios ele/book/trent, ele/book/Lift and ele/Lift/Trent seem likely.

If Joe is the GF, then SPF is almost certainly scum too. Otherwise Scum Joe would have happily hammered a townblocker. The third one can't be trent (would have corraborated SPF's claim that he was blocked) and can't be Bookwyrm (he wouldn't go so hard against Joe in his 1119 analysis). So the trio would be Joe/Lift/SPF.

So Joe/Lift/SPF is my new post-game bragging rights trio.

Joe just moved from Lift to SPF, while saying I should be lynched last day. It looks like classic distancing to me, especially if they plan to NK bler so the flip "clears" Joe. But maybe I'm tunneling on my trio now...

Anywa, if the above makes sense, I'm willing to consider to vote on myself now if you feel my flip can give you any important info/confirmation and is worth losing a townie.
In the meantime:

unvote
Vote Joe
(willing to switch to any of the trio).

Post Edit:
*sigh* And Bookwyrm answers that the above assumption is not true. I still think that with so little time remaining, scum!Damnation would have lynched town!ZFR much more quickly.

So...idea.

Damnation is saying he can't play. His townness is in doubt. Seems we weren't lynching Joe anyway, so we have a Vig to test.

Therefore, we don't lynch Damnation, and we let our 'vig' take care of the "mod-kill". Seems to solve all sorts of problems within the game. That work for people?

Hey Yog, are you seeing something kind of big and glaring in Post 1331? Because I'm seeing something disturbing.

On reflection, I think we've got this thing as a lock town win.

D3
Lynch SPF:
-Town flip clears Joe.
-Scum flip clears Ele.

(Wishful)
-Scum flip helps clear Wyrm.
-Scum flip helps condemn Damnation.
Scum!Damnation hints at Scum!ZFR

N3
Bler investigates one of Lift or Trent (or Wyrm, if he doesn't trust me).
Joe shoots Damnation.
Scum kill someone.


We go from something like (note: names provided just for illustration)

Town
1) bler144
2) yogsloth
3) Bookwyrm627
4) elebutterfly
5) JoeSapphire
6) SirPrimalform
7) Damnation

Scum
1) ZFR
2) Lifthrasil
3) trentonlf

Assume that SPF and Damnation are both town, and here's D4
Town
1) bler144
2) yogsloth
3) Bookwyrm627
4) elebutterfly

Scum
1) ZFR
2) Lifthrasil
3) trentonlf

4v3, and the scum should be pretty obvious, if they aren't already dead.

Comments?

Mod, vote count please?

Very quick skim on phone while eating dinner, will catch up in a bit. First reaction:

unbrig
brig SirPF

I mean, I have no idea if Damnation is town or scum, but man, if he is town his cameo appearance does nothing to help unless I missed something, and if toaster, it's a brilliant save/stall. Bit of AtE, promise of future knowledge maybe but not in time to carefully consider them before deadline?

Which, from a mod point of view, seems like a catch 22. If Damn is scum, he made a legit play by stalling to buy time to get 3rd mislynch. If he's town those posts don't look particularly substantive, or whatever Poppy's phrasing was about what bar had to be met to avoid NK.

Though maybe it's not a catch 22 since mod knows his alignment and modkill would make that knowledge moot. Probably. I dunno, modding is always tough, but...

At the moment I'd be inclined to lynch Damn rather than what Wyrm is proposing. Whether Joe is scum/town (and I'm still leaning town), he's def. not strongbad. Scum Damn can lead back to scum!Joe if I'm wrong.