1 and 2 are both reasonable things to assume but assuming too much is generally a bad thing in a closed set up.

3 is unlikely but not unreasonable.

I can't remember/be bothered to find what was said in the sign up thread.

The thing is, it's not about what ZFR privately assumes but that there was something conspicuous about the way it was worded.

Haha, now you've got me wondering what Betty Boop was really meant to be called. :P

I already did. I was actually on the fence between you and Ele, but ZFR's sudden pile-on after you makes me think I've chosen correctly.

At the hospital and my daughter wanted to pass along a big thank you to everyone for the well wishes!


I also meant to say that if you have a reason to suspect someone as scum and vote them but don’t want to give that reason it is scummy as hell. I know you gave reasons to suspect SPF but saying you have another reason you don’t want to divulge is bad form.

Ah, of course. I should have calculated that you would swap around your letter rules before reaching the end!

Anyway, I have 5 games as scum (not counting the aborted Deep Smelly Dungeon 2 game). One was All Mafia, one was All SK, and you hosted two of the others.

Game
Other Game
Deep Smelly Dungeon

@S i r P r i m a l f o r m and trent.

I see where you're coming from and maybe it was better for me not to mention it if I can't say what it is, but why is it scummy as hell? I do have a meta reason but saying it could help mafia a lot. Anyway I'm not asking nor expecting anyone to blindly believe me.

The issue is not you having a meta reason you don’t want to share, the issue is saying you have a meta reason and not divulging it. Keep it to yourself that you have a meta reason if you don’t want to share it. By saying you have a reason but not wanting to share means you can vote someone without justification, and that’s something scum would do.

Sorry I haven't been active today. Been out of the house until now (Just a bit over 22:30) and I'll be heading to bed again soon. I've been following somewhat during the day, but I'll make sure I'm caught up and ready with responses as fast as I can tomorrow (Cannot promise more than 3 hours before deadline, but I'll try to be faster).

Wow, that is very saddening to hear. I hope all turns out well. My thoughts are with you and your family.

Thanks but damn you! You made me remember how much I love hosting a game and now I have the urge to do it soon.

I agree that I should have just kept my mouth shut if I have a reason but can't divulge it. But I disagree with the last statement. No semi-intelligent scum would vote someone without justification. Nor say "I have a reason but I won't tell" and expect to get away with it. Any scum worth his salt would have a justification, whether good or bad, for his vote.

Lifthrasil will now be playing the role of littlerabbit until further notice. Please try to retain your suspension of disbelief and avoid Twitter campaigns against the production company.

What’s to say scum couldn’t just say “I have my reasons, but I will say after the game is over as I don’t want to give scum a heads up on something I noticed”, and by your logic they must be town since any scum worth their salt would never do something like that. Never assume anything in mafia

By my logic they needn't be scum. "Needn't be scum" is not equivalent to "must be town". Not-scummy is not equal to towny. It could be NAI.

Hi there! Thanks littlerabbit for keeping my spot warm while I was out of internet! ;-)

No, seriously. Sorry that you had to drop out, but I'm excited to play. I'll just have to read first. And quite a lot too. So please cut me some slack until I have cought up.

But I'm looking forward to playing with you all! :-D

Hi there!

That's a good point. Buddying/distancing is a theme so far
.... See reply to SirPrimal below.

Ten Town points for you for this question.

I don't, at the moment... which is why I didn't prod him. :P

Part jumping to a conclusion, I admit; part instant dismissal of the idea that it's possible to nail two mafia members on Day 1. But yes, this is a fair point, that was a badly edited quote. My apologies for the confusion, and apologies to wyrm for misquoting.

I feel like you have answered your own question here, but for the record with my words: I've been self-aware of my flavour attitude from the beginning, and Damn's riffing off toaster/pylon in defence (so I saw it) of flub's avatar rubbed me the wrong way waaaaaay back in #103. My comment on the Gogfather murder was just that, a comment, and I specified in that same post (#58) that I had no idea if it was worth pointing it out but couldn't help but notice it. It was so early it was part of my scrabbling for a way out of RVS. And neither of those two things have affected my reads of anyone (Damn is in fact one of my towniest reads at the moment).

I forgot about it in the panic to catch up with 12 people making over 100 posts, to be completely honest, but with the way you phrased the question my response either way is sheer WIFOM..!
To answer the original, for what it's worth: I read sharing reads on everyone freely, à la Joe, as town because it leaves a clear paper trail of suspicion pattern and indicates independent thought is going on about every player, rather than sliding along with whatever wagon is moving.

I agree with you.

O_O

A minute ago (approximately) you said I was distancing... all this back and forth is making me dizzy. And in #321 I asked you what you made of my case, and I don't think you replied... you just changed your vote. It's like... "oh my goat you prodded me in a sore spot so I'll do what you asked so that you stop so there :P now what?" [interpolated].

I'm in a funny position here, both SPF and Wyrm are accusing me of being scum with the other one. Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right....

Basically, nothing I see in Bookwyrm's posts in reply to me that changes my opinion. Anyone else...? If not why not?

Welcome Lif!

Distancing from Bookwyrm (who I think is scum), the buddying is with Bler (who I do not currently think is scum). They're different people, but I understand toasters have trouble distinguishing humans.

I agree, it is amusing that both my and Wyrm think you're scum with the other one.

*maintains eye contact for uncomfortable length of time*