Well I never. The word pylon here is generally reserved for one of these.

There actually is something in that then. However, knowing flub it could as easily be "an 'ilarious joke" as it could be a "haha, I'm so clever secret scumclaim".

I'm so glad my 4 year absence hasn't changed anything between us. :P
I love you anyway though. I'm also moving in by the way. Don't worry, I mostly just sleep - you can keep me in a vivarium.

:(
Do I have to?

Yes, I didn't care for the melody.

Ok, I'm caught up. Yes, I think understanding the brig mechanic is undoubtedly useful. I was thinking it would be especially useful in the endgame, but thank you Bookwyrm for shattering that illusion (I did read the rules but what I should have done was re-read them when the game started...).
I suppose that makes it most valuable in the mid-game. There's been lots of talk about how it acts like a roleblock in the night, but are people forgetting it also acts as a voteblock during the day? If we successfully brig a cylon then it alters the voting dynamics.

I'm sure there was one last thing I meant to include in this post. Ah yes, people I have played with:

1. Myself (ho ho ho)
3. littlerabbit
5. flubbucket
6. JoeSapphire
8. elebutterfly
9. Damnation
13. Vitek

Deep apologies if I have in fact played with some of the people I removed from that list - it's been about four years since I last played mafia here.

Isn't your uncalculated responses what we usually get? At least that's how I remember playing with you! :D

Anyhow, I completely concur on your thoughts on the brig mechanism. It's not very useful at present, but late game it can become incredibly powerful for town.

What is this OMBUS? Somesort of twisted, cruel, blacklisting version of OMGUS?!
Also, I'm Number Nein, not 8! This is incredibly important, based on the discussion in the sign-up thread!

I'm not sure. It's a very bastard-y mechanism, though if the player is already informed, or if they're a Survivor to simplify the flavor, it's possible.

It may have been done in relation to the game, sure, but a cylon is not a pylon, a cylon is a toaster... And I'm pretty sure traffic cones do not toast, but I could very well be wrong...

And SirPrimalform's random vote is warranting some suspecion. Not because it was random, really, nor that random.org was used, but the fact that SirPrimalform thought it necessary to state random.org was used. If he hadn't mentioned that, who would cared? It would have been perceived as random as Bookwyrm's vote on me, but SirPrimalform needing to state he used random.org speaks to me as either "Don't worry townies, I did this completely randomly so to obfuscate I know who is town!" or "Don't worry scum-buddy, I didn't vote on you with intent!". RVS as scum is hard in that you know who is what allegiance (to an extend, based on setup), and thus scum RVS is either done completely randomly, or on a scum-buddy to distance oneself. Stating you did it completely randomly thus looks suspecious.
Is it something to act upon now, not necessarily, but it is something taking a note of, even if the post was the very second (legal) post in the game.

I've played with the following:
Vitek
JoeSapphire
SirPrimalform
flubbucket (At least I think so, it's been close to 8 years since I've played...)
Apparently elebutterfly, but I presume she has become french since then.
PoppyAppletree (If it matters at all :p)

I suppose yes. But thinking about it, we'd better be damned sure, because it goes the other way as well, if we brig a town the mafia will have greater control over the lynch.


Struggling to visualise the scenario in my head, would brigging a townsmember be as dangerous as all that when it comes close to even factions? If there were seven players, 4 town, 3 mafia for example, and they brig a townsmember, then the mafia have effectively won.

Whereas if you've got someone you suspect strongly of being mafia, but for whatever reason isn't priority lynch target, wouldn't simply not voting for whomever they vote for have the same effect as embrigging them? Votewise I mean. To my reckoning the roleblocking power of the brig is where it is most useful. The vote suppressing power of the brig is the most terrifying. The lynch is the town's most powerful weapon after all...

Is there any glaring flaw in my logic here?

@Mod: When a player is brigged, does the number of votes needed to lynch someone change?

For example, with 12 players, then 7 votes are needed to lynch. Brig one of them, and you have 11 votes that count; would only 6 votes count as a majority at that time?

I would say your logic is sound here - brigging requires majority, so if majority is in concensus that player X is batshit and shouldn't have voting power, brigging them would result in the same as not replicating their vote. Sure, it prevents them from hammering a wagon, but still. The public-chosen roleblock is the most powerful bit. Until you read it again and notice that a toaster brigged cannot communicate with his team mates - that is what I see as the most powerful.

oho! what a pretty picture.


- surely you've heard of 'oh my bod! You suck!'?

- you forget that ZFR also voted using random.org (I assume this stands for Zay Fod Reeblebox?). OR DO YOU??

I have not heard of 'oh my bod! You suck!'... It sounds rather kinky, best not to use that!

And ZFR's vote was not part of the game - are we truly that cruel that we should use it against him?
You're right, we are, so we should. Both SirPrimalform and ZFR are instant scum, brig one, lynch the other?

Yes.

ah, even more scary and dangerous then! BRIG WITH CAUTION! (which was also the motto of the merchant navy 1598-1675)

Huh, not what I expected.

Considering this line from the OP: "Brigging a player does not end the day"
What happens if someone is brigged when a player already has a number of votes equal to the new majority (not counting the brigged player's vote)? Is a lynch instantly achieved?

But normally the even factions scenario results in an automatic mafia win because of the stalemate. It will at best be a perpetual tie since the mafia are never going to vote for anyone but town and people can't be un-deaded. With the brig mechanic, that stalemate can be broken as people can be unbrigged... so I'm not certain that your scenario is an automatic win like it would be with 3 town, 3 mafia.

I'm not sure I follow. Not voting for whoever they vote for certainly counters their vote but I don't think it could be said to be equivalent to embrigging. If they were brigged it would prevent opportunistic scumpiling in mid-late game for example.

What’s to say the person you highly suspect of being scum but are not voting for isn’t voting for one of their buddies. In that case if one of those two people actually get lynched and flip scum you would almost be town clearing the other person. If scum are on top of their game they should be voting each other at some point IMO. Also, if you’re town and highly suspect someone of being scum and your vote is not on them then you’re playing a bad town game (unless you highly suspect more than one person and you’re vote is on someone else you highly suspect).

I guessed it might have been bod, but oh dear, I misread that as "Oh my bod! You suck!?". Location of the question mark is key.

Well ZFR thought the game had started so if you're trying to get a read I'd say it counts. Also I'm sad to say it was ZFR's post that reminded me that random.org existed.
What can I say? I'm rusty.

At MAFIA I mean! :P


Yeah ok, a misbrig could result in a sudden hammer if the goalposts moved at the wrong time. Don't brig anyone if someone is L-1 because of the instahammer.

p.s. Why did the merchant navy stop using it? =(

Oh, that is somewhat confusing.

I used random.org, and stated that I did so, in the first post of the other mafia game I played.

I see the situation with numbers of Town-1 = Mafia to be where the brig is the most detrimental to town, actually: If a single townie brigvotes another town, the Mafia can jump on that, and jump on any votes another town has for a quicklynch, or simply stall the game until nightfall and win. A brigging in that situation has to be verily carefully thought out.

And that's the only thing it really prevents with the voting, and if the scum players are worth anything, they wouldn't really be doing something so bluntly anyhow. Scumpiling mid-game is a sure fire way for scum to enter late-game at a disadvantage. I still hold that preventing scum from nightchatting to be the most powerful effect of the brig.