That was an epic fail for a Day 1 :(

I am hugely furious

Well, I'm going to try to go to sleep now. :/

Goodnight. Me too.

goodnight all. x

Sorry, got to vent again before going.

I may have made mistakes; I may have made bad reads. But I was willing to put my vote where my mouth is and vote for the people I thought scummy, whether these were good or bad conclusions.

But the two of you?! You were both saying you're willing to vote for either of the wagons. You both could bring lynch. You knew the clock was ticking. Poppy kept reminding. Everyone kept saying anything better than mislynch. And yet you two continue behaving like a 15 year old at a debutante ball. "maybe this one; maybe that one."

Seriously: What. The. Heck? What were you expecting? Lightning from heaven to tell you to vote?

Good night.

After a day of heated argument, with little agreement to be found, the crew find that they can agree on one thing: lunch.

"It's what the Commander would have wanted."
"So say we all."

The day has ended without a lynch. It is now Night 1. Please refrain from posting in the thread until Day 2 is announced.

Night 2 will end at 22:30 UTC on Friday 13th of July. Please submit any night actions via PM. If you require one, please ask for an extension.

It’s safe to say that nobody had a good day yesterday, and it seems like today isn't going to be much better. The only thing on anyone’s lips is that the brilliant scientist Dr Baltar has been killed. Was it the Cylons? What happened to his Cylon detector? Did anyone actually like the man?

Looks like it’s going to be another day of screaming at each other.

Vitek has been murdered! He was Gaius Baltar, Crew Betrayer (Town Miller).

It is now Day 2. Day 2 will end on Thursday the 19th of July. (The end time will be set when a suitable time has been agreed upon.)

Morning all!

The first thing we should do before anything is find out who SirP targeted last night. No further information in terms of what the results were and verification from the target, but while his alignment is still in question we should get his claim before he has a chance to pick up any clues.
Second I've completely flipped my thoughts on ZFR. In the sobering time since the deadline I've come to believe his claim. I apologise for everything!

Also congratulations to vitek for getting himself nightkilled night 1. A very good tactic if you're playing a miller, I hope he's proud of himself.

In summary:

SirP should tell us who he targetted, but not what the results are.
No-one should say anything else on the subject for the moment, and we can review it later.

Bah.

Good luck to the rest of you and do only that what I would do.

That includes boning hallucinations and causing genocides.

also

VIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK!!!!!!


))))))))))))))))DDDDDDDDDDDD,,,,,:

Hey everyone, as you may or may not know I'm covering Bookwyrm's slot for the day (probably just the one, but we'll see how long the day lasts).

It really shouldn't be too much of a change as my reads seem to mostly align with Bookwyrm's (we have had a brief conversation where he laid out where he was and I will be keeping some notes and doing the same for when he comes back, assuming I'm still alive). I appreciate it's a somewhat unusual situation though.

First things first;

OMGUAS (that's Oh My God You All Suck, in case you wondered) how did you day 1 no lynch?!

Not surprised at Vitek's death, he was one of the townie players I suspected clever scum would choose to off, well done to him on being NK'd as a miller though.
Second, my little recollection of what I watched of the show years ago suggests his role and character are related. Gaius was one of the few characters I actually remembered and what I remember was that he was a traitor, so this would seem to give some credence to SPF's claim (I think? I know the name but couldn't really tell you anything about Starbuck, but judging everyone's reactions yesterday it would seem to be a fit for roleblocker).

I believe ZFR. That reaction to SPF's claim seemed very genuine to me and I didn't have him down as particularly scummy as I followed day 1. That being said I wouldn't put it past him to be able to fake that convincingly, and I would still totally have lynched him day 1. My preferred option would have been cristi though.

If things move as quickly (in the sense of post numbers, not actual action) as Day 1 I might struggle a bit to keep up. I have read and followed the entirety of the game so far but haven't done any kind of rereads and don't plan on doing so unless particularly necessary. That being said I may do a reread on flub if I have time to solidify my read on him.

flub - I'm of the opinion flub's avatars usually point to role if anything and cristi's crusade against him based on his 'pylon' seems misguided at best and wilful misrepresentation at worst. My read agree's with Vitek's, she has used it as an excuse to not do anything else for Day 1, which doesn't match with my meta read of cristi's play. To me she is firm scum.

Brigging - not sure of the point of this mechanic, unlike Bookwyrm I don't see real value in it except in odd edge cases (where you are almost convinced of two people's guilt and can't decide who to lynch, lynch one and brig the other). There is no info gain in most situations and you are more likely to brig and disable a townie then you are scum.

Meta stuff - I'm totally a meta gamer, most of my reads are based on meta stuff like comparisons between past games and playstyles (which is why the fact I haven't played with a lot of you makes this tricky for me).

Second guess for scum is the lift / rabbit slot. The whole "Is flub town cop?" didn't do them any favours and lift's subsequent play (particularly his attempt to paint Damnation's "I think I know who flub is" as him saying flub was a PR) hasn't improved that at all.

SPF - I didn't really form any read or impression of him day 1. Not that he was lurking or not posting, just for some reason nothing he did stuck in my head in any significant way. Not sure why he was the main wagon, I think I believe his claim, but I'm not sure in what situation town or scum have a roleblocker and if that makes sense or if it's a clever claim based on his assigned character.


I think that just about covers everything, if anyone has any questions shoot away and I'll do my best to answer. I'll be working this evening and Sunday and Monday evening too but will keep checking and posting when I can.

OK. After the disatrous first Day, the Night could have gone worse. A negative utility role is about the least bad NK that could happen to us. And I agree that SPF should reveal whom he blocked at night ASAP.

Meanwhile I'll go through some posts from yesterday that I missed because I was already in bed. I'll start with the most blatant one:

Seriously? You stress the point that we have only 5 min left, AND YET YOU DON'T VOTE? Rather you wait until after the deadline to 'vote', which might at that point as well have been an act. WHY?! Even if you are scum, this is bad play. Unless, of course, both leading wagons happened to be on scumbuddies of you and you didn't want to start bussing on D1. Is that it? Are cristi and ZFR your buddies?

Another WTF post. You need time to claim? For what? To fabricate a false-claim that sounds believable? You don't need time for a truthful claim. You just write your name and your role. That doesn't take more time that writing 'I need time to claim'.
Don't get me wrong. I can understand that one doesn't want to claim at L-2 under certain circumstances. Or even that sometimes it's good not to claim at all. But that's not what you wrote. You wrote that you need time to claim - and that's a big scum sign! Yesterday I found it credible that you are on to something concerning flubb. But after this post, I think I was wrong yesterday and you are one of the scummiest players around after all. Sharing that spot with HSL, at the moment.

Oooh! Sorry. I totally missed that connection. That actually makes sense! You were right, your assumption does not imply anything about flubb's alignment, so I was wrong of accusing you of supporting flubb. Even if your assumption turned out to be wrong, it still is a sensible train of thought. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

But speaking of Laura Roslin:
I am somewhat dubious of that claim. While we have been explicitly told that there is no connection between role names and alignment, there does seem to be a connection between role name and role power. Kara as roleblocker totally makes sense (she likes drinking or f*ing with some buddy at night, after all. Which I imagine to be quite distracting). Baltar as Miller also fits the character from the movie. But Roslin as a vanilla nobody? No, that doesn't fit. She's the goddamn president! So I would expect her to have some power. So I tend to believe your claim of being Roslin, but I suspect you lied about being a Crew Regular. Which would mean that you are scum. Because lying = scum. Of course this suspicion is based on speculation about a Name-Power connection, so it's weaker than the suspicion that HSL and cristi raised.

But, here's the plus side: this gives us a use for the brig! If ZFR tells the truth, we don't lose any PR by brigging him. And if he lies, we can hurt scum by brigging him. Reduced possibility of communication and loss of whatever power ZFR is hiding.

Therefore:
brig ZFR


As for voting, I'll wait with that for the reactions of cristi and HSL.

Awoke early. Sleeping with the windows open because of the heat in the house and damn birds wouldn't stop yapping. Crazy busy, other than going back through and tracking out that EOD activity I only really read one player.

Didn't seem much point to put in more effort with no data.

-agree
-agree. Except on the last part. And TBH I still think he should have been lynched at the time for a variety of reasons, but with D2 here now all of that is moot. Unless someone has actual info, I think he has to just be hard sorted town. pre-post edit: adalia's post is exactly the problem and raises my eyebrow a bit. While I get the urge, tactically that's a scum have your cake and eat it too. Bad bad bad badbadbad.

Welcome adalia!

I'm curious how much of this you wrote in advance or whether it was all post-flip.

1. I doubt anyone was completely surprised Vitek was a viable NK, but, like, it doesn't strike you as at all curious that mafia bypassed a claimed town Roleblocker (who, if town, can frak their stuff up) as well as cristi's all-but-claimed-PR? To me that means one of two things. While certainly too early to "know" anything from it I find it a bit curious you just settled into "Vitek man, no surprise there!"

2. This kinda stretches the definition of "related" to meaninglessness though, doesn't it? Take a character that IS anti-town (I believe in the original as well) and make it actually town but just reading anti-town, and...ok, it's related, but in more of an inverse sense. I'm not sure I'm buying you, to this point.

3. I agree that I would still totally have lynched him D1. I'm a bit uncomfortable that you seem to be setting a town!VT up for lynch in F5/F3. "I believe him now, but he could be fooling us!" Well yes. Sure. He could.

But at this point, unless someone cops him (and Vitek's flip at least suggests a cop unless mod is frakking with us) he kinda just needs to be hard sorted. Full stop.

4. Just being chatty, but what do you suspect a flub re-read is likely to yield? He presumably was not breadcrumbing miller this game. Do you think he's breadcrumbing something else that closer inspection might reveal, or do you think his inscrutableness is suddenly going to become scrutable with Vitek flipping town? Given your self-stated limit on available time...this is your priority investment? Though certainly, he would probably be one of the 2-3 quickest re-reads, so I suppose there is that.

I'll be curious to hear what you find.

5. Agree aspects of cristi's play were curious, and I'd like to hear her explanation. But I pretty strongly disagree on the flub suspicion issue, even if I agree her choice to sit on that vote so late into the day looked problematic in several ways to me.

I also really don't know what to do with the claim/not-claim in the final moments.

But the wyrm/adalia slot has my interest roundly piqued. So yes, welcome adalia! I look forward to reading more from you in particular. Oh, and cristi.


I should be working most of the weekend and just around eves, but we'll see how that motivation holds.

Oh and two non-game-related things:

@adalia: welcome and thanks for stepping in!

and
@SPF: damn you! I wanted to be Starbuck! :-(