There was supposed to be littlerabbit's quote above this making it aimed at her.

you did do that exact thing earlier:


eh? eh??

Uhm, not the same thing. I answered your question in post 64 as to what was my measure of town/mafianess and I pointed out that I don't like PM talk and will pursue someone's lynch for doing it as I find it scummy. Then I responded to elebutterfly who had asked in post 103 if this had happened to me in previous games. So please enlighten me on how this is me trying to say I'm town because of this?

You defend your behaviour, cite previous games as evidence and call on other players to agree with you. Pretty much what zfr's been doing isn't it?
Sure, he's done it a few times, and he's gone further to say 'I was town in this game when I did this' but when you made your case against him I recalled your post which had give me thoughts at the time you made it.

Are you mafia?

Really? Which game was that?


It'd appear so, and I hope it proves to be so; worrying about getting recruited is no fun.

*narrow-eyes adaliabooks; raises fist*


Why particularly this specific subset of players?


I just went and skimmed the first couple of pages of game #32, and don't see what you're referring to. Can you point it out?


My experience playing with him is very limited (he subbed in, as town, in one of my first games, and what stayed with me is that he was pretty annoyed by my playstyle, and I subbed out on D1 in another, don't recall having played with him in any other game), so WIFOM and all indeed.


Heh.


Heh.


Don't follow how RVS forces anyone to give an explanation. I've seen plenty of naked votes in the games I've played/observed, that were justified as "for... reasons" or "heh" when asked about, and I've also seen people jumping on and off of plenty of players with little to no explanation. What tone-read do you make of such posts?

Not saying that what you say doesn't/can't happen, I just never thought or felt that during RVS, especially early RVS, people are expected/required to somehow justify their vote.


Heh.


Is flubbucket mafia because of elebutterfly distracting from his wagon getting rolling, because of what cristigale might be on to something with his avatar, both, some other unstated reason(s)?

I am not mafia. I have at not point said my stance on PM talk makes me town, if you are seeing that then you need to check your vision, but ZFR has posted 4 times to point out his behavior in previous games where he was town and doing the same thing now. It I was mafia or town it would not matter in the slightest, I would pursue anyone's lynch for PM discussion. The only reason I even broached the subject was because you asked and elebutterfly wanted clarification. So again please enlighten me on how they are the same thing, and also enlighten me why you are defending ZFR?

Seems strange to ask that question after you just voted him.

Hmmm...I don't know that I can vote for the TFPTSLBOOIA. I'm not sure how it fits with the game setup/flavor, but seems legit.

Who are you and what have you done with the actual flubbucket?


You could take out the phrase "on mobile" and it would still be a fairly apt statement.


Aye. If anyone smurfing over-explains around here it's ME! Frakkin smurf yeah! And now, let me tell you why I think that is so...

brb

what's with the blerred focus?


1 - you said 'here's how what I'm doing here is similar to what I've done there, amirite everbody?' [interpolated]. He said 'here's how what I'm doing here is similar to what I've done there, amirite everbody?' [interpolated]

2 - Because I feel guilty for voting for him and then feeling OMBHS when he voted for me and wanting him to get lynched immediately. Well. I don't think quibbling with you is the same as defending him. But that's why I didn't start shouting 'yes! Let's all lynch ZFR' as I instinctively felt to. I'd like him to be mafia, but I think my reason for thinking so is more petty than it should be. I kinda agree with your read actually.

Overall I prodded you and you got defensive. I get the impression though that you've got a hot-tempered playing style (your reference to screaming rows with players in previous games. (Wait, that was you wasn't it?)) SO I don't feel like I've really achieved anything.

Well I've likely drawn more attention to myself. woohoo.

Why do you think it is strange? I find what he is doing scummy thus my vote. I want to know if anyone else sees the same thing thus my question.

Agreed, but doing that would take work to even figure out if I've already done it.

Agreed, but doing that would take work to even figure out if I've already done it. Oh wait, new question. But basically the same answer.

I was going off memory, which is probably....not 100% correct. Case in point, in talking about my Wyrm reads, I noted that I had successfully read him D1 in a string of cases. I realized later that wasn't entirely true either - I had solved him successfully in a string of x games, but I don't actually think it was all d1 after reflection - memory was contaminated by a few instances where it was true.

Anyway, in line with what Vitek noted, the point isn't whether it's 100% true all the time that someone who does it is actually non-town, as it's probably not, but it's not a pro-town move either.

The better question is, "why vitek, considering you know he's not actually going to answer anyway?"

You're really set on making me go back and research facts from 2015, instead of just relying on the comfortable narratives those facts evolved into over time? You do recall I said I haven't installed AF yet, right?

Jerk. ;)

Give me a bump and I'll be right back.

Reading and writing privileges. I wouldn't be able to enforce a brigged Cylon not reading messages if it was the same link, so I'd need to give unbrigged Cylons a toastier place to hang out while their comrade was locked up.

also not relevant to the game, but I read the first page of flub's milk game and I'm super pleased about being referenced in the rules. Thanks for remembering me flub! Sorry I abandoned you for so long. I'm really happy to be back. Thanks littlerabbit for proposing the mass return.




Now after that surely you'd all feel too guilty to lunch me on day one?

No? didn't think so... ;)

You are trying to make two things that are not the same thing into the same thing.

You specifically asked me and bookwyrm "What are your favourite measures of town/mafianess?", and in my answer I made the comment on my stance of PM talk. elebutterfly said that statement was out of the blue and was wanting to know if it had happened to me in previous games. My answer was yes it had and my stance was well known by anyone who has played with me in the past.

ZFR made a vote post using random.org, and I could care less if he used random.org or not myself, and when it was pointed out how that could be looked upon as a scum play he pointed out his previous game that he had done the same thing in (he did that twice in posts 55 and 89). If he had just let it go at that I'm pretty sure it would not have even been a blip on my radar, but he goes on in posts 120 and 137 specifically saying he was Town in previous games where he did the same thing he is doing now. Now that pinged my radar as it is someone trying to say LAMIST.

If you can't see the difference in the two scenarios then we will just have to agree to disagree.

That sounds complicated if fully implemented. You could end up with like 25 different quicktopic fora by the time the game is over if they had day access. That's a disaster waiting to happen.

Conclusion...no day chat, but just a pre-planned series of N1 / N2 quicktopics mod sends out each dusk?


...moving this along...
1) Krypsyn votes me in post 28. Post 83 he explains it wasn't an RVS vote. 91 I ask for explanation. 93 he says "heh." Some time later he meanders off into some sort of metaphor about picket fences. If you want more than that it's on you, man.

3) Fair point, to a point. However providing no explanation at all means being potentially asked to defend either the reason or the whom. You chose them for some reason, ultimately, whether or not it's meaningful. Random.org moves that responsibility entirely off the player. And saying "heh," while not particularly revealing, is still committing to an answer.

4) Ultimately flub can't be scum definitively based on what ele did / didn't do. The causality is reversed there. Called for dinner, but the short version is yes, I think it was pretty clear the main motivation at the time was cristi's observation.

As noted I wouldn't have voted wyrm (or you, or cristi) for the same, so there is a deeper reason, but none of it speaks to flub's alignment either way. I've actually gotten a better feeling from his activity the last 24 hours or so.

At the moment I think I'm most interested in SPF. Very curious to see him explain his vote, as there are multiple bad answers and only one, maybe two defensible ones.

You sure look town from here, though I'm not sure why you actually took up 2) at this point along. ;)

I see the difference, but I also see the similarities. I think you do too. Let's just refuse to agree to agree.