I don't think that Pooka is going to confirm anything. The cop role typically only investigates alignment and confirming that there is someone with false innocence would be confirming the presence of a second mafia godfather. Unfortunately, this is something that we have to decide for ourselves.


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Okay...

I investigated JoeSapphire. Does JoeSapphire know I investigated JoeSapphire ?


vote JoeSapphire

I don't respect this kind of play. Knock it off.

And Alto has confirmed exactly what I have said.
We don't have both a cop and a tracker on the town team as it would be too much power.
The tracker is a lie.


vote Joe

Um. I know you didn't investigate JoeSapphire.

I lied about investigating scene. I breadcrumbed my actual investigation results:

A4D = atlo for dedoporno

one op whom: the only op we know is ded op.


I did this for basically the same reason as I said i investigated scene: it looked like the only way we could lose is if something wasn't legit, so i wanted to make sure atlo's counterclaim wasn't some majestic theatre.

(I did think as well, that if it is legit at least i prove i am a tracker)

when he turned up being shy with his results and talking about is it possible his results have been faked i decided to false claim to see if i could catch him in a lie.

AND I DID. WHAT?

vote atlo

"predictable" i know :p



now someone explain why has scum atlo done this instead of just clearing someone?

In all due respect this isn't part of your game so it's not up to you to decide what I may or may not do in a future game unless it's run by you and even if it is you still can't make me not be extra suspicious of someone if I want to be. To make things clear "not caring about any excuses" doesn't mean discarding RL - this is never going to happen. I'm referring to in-game excuses and explanations that aren't obvious truths.


Lol at these breadcrumbs! I love them!

I'm not gonna lie, I did think there is a slight chance of some 4X next level type of scum play where they bussed each other in the way they did but discarded it right away because having a Godfather in the game is pretty much a mod confirmation of having a Cop on the other side so they would have risked 2 players fake claiming to fish out the REAL real Cop. Buck + Atlo + ??? doing this? Yeah, no. If they did - my hat off to them and they can take the game.


vote Joe

Another highly unlikely possibility but I do find it entertaining. We've had at least one game where there was a Godfather but no opposing Cop. I believe the Godfather was effectively a Goon and his role was a red herring but I don't remember why that was. There was some gimmicky explanation but I don't remember. I know I was on the scum side back then but can't remember if I was the fake Godfather.

Anyway, crazy theory time:

1. Have 2 scum in a 12 player game.
2. One or both of them Godfathers.
3. Give them daychat.
4. Give them a fake claim along the lines of "There is no real Cop in this game".
5. Watch chaos unfold.
6. ???
7. Profit

Technically that may be even more scum-sided against 2 Masons, a Tracker and a Bodyguard. It may also be considered Bastard but technically won't be as there are no real lies told by the mod. Just misdirection to invite fake assumptions.

Fun, no?

Anyway, Occam's Razon and all.

I'm dealing with a migraine, so even though it's after 3am -- I'm 100% awake at the moment.


I'm not buying what you're selling. However since Alto is voting for you, that means that he's saying that you're mafia.

Since this means that there can be only one mafia left after you are lynched, I am also going to share all of my thoughts and speculations about this game.

Starting with what we actually do know:
* Frosty: Town Vanilla
* Az: Town Mason
* Scene: Town Bodyguard
* Buck: Mafia Godfather
* ???: Other Town Mason
* Mafia has Day Chat

The fact that Frosty's role was Town Vanilla tells us that this isn't a role madness game. It would be extreme levels of asshat dickery to have one Town Vannila in a role madness game. Even if that did happen, what would be the odds that we would find and lynch the only Town Vanilla on Day 1? If anyone is going to say, "But it was Frosty," they need to consider that the statistical odds of someone being the only Town Vanilla and getting lynched on Day 1 are going to be very low. The other issue here is that I don't think that Pooka is the sort of person that would have a role madness game where there is one Town Vanilla.

This is what we assume is true:
* Catte: Town ???
* Yog: Other Town Mason
* Atlo: Town Cop

Considering that we have a bodyguard and not a doctor suggests to me that this is actually a low power game with not much in the way of power roles and lots of Vanilla. (My second favorite ice cream flavor - #1 is anything mint.) There's probably a bunch of Town Vanilla, who are going to be reading this thinking "I'm Vanilla too!" That's great, but all role claims from this point onward (including Vanilla) should be treated with complete suspicion because we have no way to verify them.

What I think is true:
* Low power game (not a lot of power roles)
* Three mafia (because Day Chat)
* The tracker is a lie.

I actually thought that Alto had come up with the same idea that this was a low powers game with three mafia but rather than investigate the fake tracker, I thought he had gambled and found what would be the the third mafia member.

Half a day and the only activity is from one of the couple of people who should be sound asleep right now.

I actually appreciate Joe's effort to try and stay in the game. =]

But what the hell should ''atlo 4 dedo'' even suppose 2 mean ???
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Unfortunatly no. I am simple minded. When Joe claimed he is tracker, I was surprised when Telika said that tracker is not a town-bound role. Joe may prove that he is tracker. But can he prove that he is on Town side? If anything I gambled I would be investigating a corpse. Or, more likely, I would be corpse in the morning.

If past days are any indication then the remaining votes should come online soon, or in 4 hours latest.
I do kinda regret now that I did not reveal the night findings yesterday. We would be in Night 3 now. Possibly even Day 4.

Then again I did so enjoy your yesterdays banter. =) (Well, mostly.)
And Joe's ''I left Br34|) Crumb5''' was also entertaining, and unexpected.

Any moment now!

It is true that tracker isn't a town-exclusive role:
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tracker

I've already said that I think that this is a low powers game. This means that I also believe that there are not a lot of people on the town side worth tracking in the first place. The mafia doesn't have a tracker because they don't need one.



Also it's 8:30am here in California, and I see no additional votes.
Where are all the people who would have been awake for hours now?

lol, actually.

Unfortunately I don't have any witty reply... well you were posting until 02:30 yesterday! How was I to expect that today would be opposite day.

OK. At this point you're just bullshitting to have fun. I respect that, but still:

vote Joe

No point delaying it.

@Atlo: usually the target doesn't know it was investigated. Unless you have a 'loud' modifier.

Lina pointed her finger at Hazama. "I know you were up to no good. And this time, I've got all the righteous girls on my side!"

Hazama casually shrugged. "You sound like some old hag from the Bible, go look at a mirror or something."

Lina went "grrrr!", and started pointing her finger harder at Hazama. "You better eat those words!"

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VOTECOUNT
JoeSapphire (4) - Atlo (#707), Catventurer (#709), dedoporno (#711), Lifthrasil (#719)
Atlo (1) - JoeSapphire (#710)

Not voting: Telika, catte, yogsloth
JoeSapphire is closest to lynch, at L-1.

In case there's any errors in the votecount, please let me know.

Day 3 will end in 6 days.