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flubbucket: Agreed. A town RB should claim after no NK Day One.
Are you a PR?

(Are we in the same timezone)
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Leoric_AKA_Leo: What if we pushed Bookwyrm until he claimed? Could the scenario be different?
I shouldn't said that. Please don't quote me on this and comment.

Together we will find the real scum.

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ZFR: 5: "Come at me, pussies!" (ss)

7: "Sseriously?" (ss, and this one clearly misspelled).

ss. 2s. S2 Tracker.
This game is too much harder than I thought.

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I spent the whole morning and found nothing to work with. It's impossible for me to form a better narrative with those terms I just heard.

If Dedo is scum:
All I got is questions. Yet I still don't know how mafia know bookwyrm is doctor. If there's a RoleCop and a blocker doesn't that be too much powerful for scum team? (I don't know what's balance, just asking)
And why scum blocker would block flub in the third night? If they rolecoped bookwyrm and killed him, isn't stop blocking ZFR being too risky to fall into a situation like now? (Or they just do whatever they want? No need to ask the detail?)
And if there's a scum RB, it sounds like a perfect opportunity to block the cop rather than kill him. Why risk to let a powerplayer like ZFR to be confirmed as town? (Does that sound too naive?)

If Dedo is town:
People said he should claim after NK D1. Agree.
Block ZFR in D2 dosn't make too much sense.

With all the questions,(and I'm emotionally think dedo is town and he has been working so hard and post walls of text to explain enough to let me feel amazed that a scum could explain that much without made any obvious mistake), if there's no better narrative, I'll vote dedo too. Hopefully we don't oops in the end.
If flub's scum then his late arrival to the day was either very well calculated or serendipity spun perfectly.

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It breaks my heart a little but I do think it's dedo.

If it is dedo who are his buddies?
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my name is supyreor catte: I have thoughts, but I'd like to see what, if anything you have to say first?
That's a typo. It's supposed to say D1.
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Leoric_AKA_Leo: Don't you think the "ZFR is godfather" and "The cop and ZFR both scum" possibility was very low in D2?
Yes. The second option is even lower. The thing is I have played this game quite a lot and have seen a lot of things that had low possibility but happened, I've accumulated meta experience with some players and when their actions ping me the wrong way I have to consider edge cases which I did. I accept that not everyone (maybe even no even no one else) would do it the way I did it but I from my perspective it wasn't incorrect.


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Leoric_AKA_Leo: With all the questions,(and I'm emotionally think dedo is town and he has been working so hard and post walls of text to explain enough to let me feel amazed that a scum could explain that much without made any obvious mistake), if there's no better narrative, I'll vote dedo too. Hopefully we don't oops in the end.
Don't let walls of text and effort fool you. I'm perfectly capable of doing the same if scum. What I wouldn't do is to do a ton of things that make zero sense from scum's perspective and then claim I did them.

At this point there has been too much stain and heat put on me because of the power roles we have and the circumstances around my claim. The scum had the chance to sit back, claim Vanillas and ride with it. ZFR is looking at things the wrong way because he doesn't know any better, wants to be right and therefore is willing to take a bigger risk just to make sure he covers the edge cases so he gets to his goal - at this point I understand it and won't fight it anymore. The issue is some others are just saying "Uhm yeah, no, you scum byeee!" lazily hinging on minor stuff like "I don't think Town!dedo would mistake one role for another" or "I think RB should claim after no kill on N1".

I still think it's Catte and Flub. I hope it's only them so you have the chance to try and catch them Tomorrow.

If it's neither of them then good fucking job to whomever it is, I applaud you.

TL;DR: Nothing else is happening to change the amount and value of public information. If no one is able to see things from my perspective there is nothing else to be done and discussed.

Lynch me and stop wasting everyone's time.
BUMP
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JoeSapphire: If it is dedo who are his buddies?
ZFR - 99% he is Town, 1% he is Mafia-Godfather (those estimations were taken directly from my b@@t)

Joe - 90% he is Town, 10% he is ballsy Mafia-Anything claiming Commuter, hoping either for the best or with a particular plan in case of 2 Commuters situation

Flub - 80% he is Town, 20% he is Mafia-Anything and that was a super clever trick to Roleblock a teammate to clear his name (for instance they Rolecop ZFR before knowing he is a Tracker, Dedo actions were extremely rational, the weird explanations on D4 was part of the plan to mislead Town)

4 remaining players are 50% / 50%:
Cadaver
Catte
Dogmaus - lurking for now
Leoric
I'm catching up with posts. I agree with dedo that I don't understand why bookwyrm was probably NKed when he was next in line for lynching. Maybe just to be safe.
As for claims, at this point even the rocks know I'm Vanilla Town.
Dedo's confusion about roleblocker and jailer roles seem excessive and close to willful ignorance at this point, for a player with experience and after all this time.
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flubbucket: Agreed. A town RB should claim after no NK Day One.
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Leoric_AKA_Leo: Are you a PR?

(Are we in the same timezone)
No.

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JoeSapphire: If flub's scum then his late arrival to the day was either very well calculated or serendipity spun perfectly.

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It breaks my heart a little but I do think it's dedo.

If it is dedo who are his buddies?
My late arrival was due solely to a timer. I now understand Pooka couldn't edit the OP, so the window I had open wasn't quite accurate.

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Dogmaus: Dedo's confusion about roleblocker and jailer roles seem excessive and close to willful ignorance at this point, for a player with experience and after all this time.
I'm just curious...does it bother you enough to Vote for him??
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flubbucket: I'm just curious...does it bother you enough to Vote for him??
You need one that extra vote, don't you?
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flubbucket: I'm just curious...does it bother you enough to Vote for him??
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dedoporno: You need one that extra vote, don't you?
Nah. I'm looking for scum.
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flubbucket: I'm just curious...does it bother you enough to Vote for him??
Not yet, I'm still undecided on my vote, overwhelmed with all the roles, possibilities and different reasonings in many posts. Heeelp!
Cadaver says he wants to hear more from me, but I've given enough asinine attempts and they were all wrong xD do you have specific questions? I hope you are enjoying the game again.
I'm learning a lot about the game and I feel like a clumsy Saint Bernard dog in a glassware shop.
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flubbucket: I'm just curious...does it bother you enough to Vote for him??
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Dogmaus: Not yet, I'm still undecided on my vote, overwhelmed with all the roles, possibilities and different reasonings in many posts. Heeelp!
Cadaver says he wants to hear more from me, but I've given enough asinine attempts and they were all wrong xD do you have specific questions? I hope you are enjoying the game again.
I'm learning a lot about the game and I feel like a clumsy Saint Bernard dog in a glassware shop.
We're all about the asinine here.

and sensible shoes and a Chevrolet. You can party til you're broke and they drag you away. But above all, while you're here you must dare to be stupid.
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dedoporno: ZFR is looking at things the wrong way because he (...) wants to be right
Love how you keep bringing this point up.

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flubbucket: But above all, while you're here you must dare to be stupid.
Words to live by.