How was it confirmed?


You are aware mafia could be lying and they are in fact not from those houses they'll claim they are from, right?

But simply, my opinion is that I don't want to be solving the game based on flavour.
I find no fun in it. But I am not refusing to claim if people want to do it en masse?


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!


What's Oho?

For the record, I have not read this post yesterday so only now I see mafia origin was more than implied.

Oh, there is another page. Now I've got to read those, bleh.

An answer I give when as a mod I want to say "No comment". Or "I'd rather not answer your question". It's Joe who started it.

I'm here and catching up.

I'm sorry. I remembered that incorrectly. You're right. I didn't ask you why you switched to trent, I erroneously asked you why you didn't. Double mistake. My bad.

It was blotunga whom I asked why he switched to trent in #455. But I didn't receive a reply yet. I really should start notes again. I didn't do that so far due to lack of time, but they really help!

I know I'm now 'riding the same broom' as gogtrial, but saying that someone is 'clearly against' something they already did themselves is a bit strange. Unless that was your point that nmillar did something contradictory. In which case you would have to prove your point by pointing out the posts of nmillar that you refer to.

Also, would you please answer my question:
Here's the point where you may be wrong (and probably are). Assuming an even split of the houses. Those of us who have known ZFR for quite a while also know, that he likes to randomize thing. So I would expect the houses to be randomly distributed. Sure, for large sample sizes that would again result in a fairly even split. But we are not a large sample size.

Actually yes. Since ZFR didn't say in the same explanation that the houses are evenly split. If the 'not fluff' thing refers, for example to houses that might be connected to Powers after all, we risk giving scum some information. My point is:
- if the houses are strictly evenly distributed, a house claim puts pressure on scum and is good for Town.
- if the houses are connected to PRs, a house claim is bad for Town.

I don't see any reference to whether the houses are evenly distributed or not in ZFR's explanation. However, there is the statement that they aren't pure fluff. Which makes the mass-house-claim potentially dangerous. So I change my vote to 'rather not'.

Which only shows that you can reply to your own question 'in what world would Scum be happy about a no-lynch'. So why ask such a question? You know the answer perfectly well.

Interesting question! Especially since nmillar looks less scummy Today than they did Yesterday. Then again, GH already stated before that nmillar was his top suspect after me. So it's not too unusual to switch to his second top favourite if his read of me changes.

By word of Mod. Did you really miss that? Reading mod messages should be quite high on the priority list! Especially since you even quote the very message in which ZFR stated that houses aren't pure fluff!

Your investment and attention seem to be very low. Why is that?

And now you try to pretend (or generate) panic? Why? To make sure that the leading wagon will continue without voting yourself? I am quite tempted to switch to you now!

But before reconsidering and potentially altering my vote I want:
- a reply from blotunga
- a reply from Vitek
- wait to see what input dedo gives, now that he is back.

Vote Count

nmillar 2 - Lift, GH
GH 1 - nmillar

Not voting - catte, phaolo, Micro, dedo, gogtrial, Vitek, blotunga

nmillar is closest at L-4

10 players. Takes 6 to lynch.

About 35 hrs left.

Because Slytherin are the bad guys? Note how Lift asked:
Though... I realize I might be working under wrong assumptions about Slytherin. Are there major events in the books where it's all of Hogwarts, including active support from Slytherin, against an outside threat? (i.e. where Slytherin aren't bad guys.) If there are, then it might not actually be as ballsy a play from scum!dedo after all.

Could you point to specific examples where you feel him to be "implying" this?

I was skimming the posts and for some reason got the impression that it was nmillar who was against it, might've been someone else. You read too much into it.

For reference, your #482 said:
I can't rhyme "In what world does that make a lick of sense?" with your new position that "scum sometimes might prefer mislynch over nolynch"

vs
When you voted and warned others not to hammer, do you remember actually (back then) hoping for Trent to say something that'd result in another lynch? Or was this an after the fact rationale/narrative which you came up with when you were writing #443?

You also didn't answer my additional question from #519:

Are cops, rolecops and doctors frequent in Mafia?
This seems a bit overthinking.. and it still doesn't apply to the current situation, since nobody claimed any role or was even at L-3 in this day.

Slytherin aren't always evil in the books. Well, not all of them at least. Some actually fight against Voldemort.

But my question wasn't serious anyhow. I was aware that Slytherin aren't the bad guys according to OP this time. So it was a non-dangerous, joke-reference to the 'watcher of Kalunga' incident. You know I hate joke-scum-flavour claims. But in this case, a Slytherin claim would not be equivalent to a Scum claim. Still I was surprised that dedo came out right away and claimed to be Slytherin. But for me that's NAI. Either he actually is Slytherin and thought that houses are pure fluff and therefore not dangerous. Or he is scum, who was aware that Slytherin doesn't mean scum in this game and therefore claimed for early Town-points. Both are equally possible. So I don't follow nmillar's reasoning that claiming Slytherin so early makes dedo Town.

Fair enough. But for the third time: I still want a reply to the actually more relevant question I asked you:
So, why did you vote trent? You seem to be evading that question! Or am I 'reading too much into it' again?

Here, let me motivate you a bit to actually answer this time:
interrogatus blotunga

I wanted to make certain this is what you wanted to know. I'll do my followup question now, with the answers to your question to follow when you've answered.

You never actually read the final two days of Day 1, did you?

Please, avoid quoting huge posts (to just add a single line), it's already difficult to follow the thread as it is..

I see. Thanks.

If I was told Oho by Joe I would read to it much more than I would into "No comment". :-)

You can use Holmes character unless you make him express emotions.


I actually read the mod message only after I wrote the first one. The quote in my posts are in order. I haven't read it yesterday because I didn't. Mainly because I spent like 10 minutes on the game and mod messages are very low on my to-read list.

And I still take it as Houses are not important per se. It's that either you are one of them or Salem and there is the distinction what makes it not fluff.

Well yeah, it rattled me how close we are to deadline considering how little we did Today so far. I personally, apparently unlike you, am not happy for wasting most of the Day. Yes, I am weird this way.
Are you trying to pretend we have not wasted a lot of time and we are getting dangerously close to end without doing much? I was absent for longer time tha there is remaining so yes, I found it dangerously too close.
Or maybe it suits you?
Are you worried I am letting the wagon with 2 votes (where you are one of them so likely want it to happen) convert into lynch by... what exactly? Being surprised by deadline?


In books.
It was implied since the beginning it is Town Hogwarts X Mafia Salem so what is so ballsy about claiming anything from Hogwarts?
Aren't you basing it on source material bit too much?

I am personally quite baffled how much importance some of you are attributing to it and somehow think mafia wouldn't pretend to be from any of the houses.

It's that he is eager to claim dedo is town because he claimed Slytherin and then stating like he is Slyterhing himself. That I see as implying that "dedo is Slytherin and is town and I am Slytherin as well so make your own connections people".
I get what he is saying there if he is town but I also cannot help and feel like he is using it appear town in case dedo were to flip town Slytherin.

I wasn't feeling like he was putting enough effort in his defense and somehow he felt off. Now we know it was mostly because of IRL.