Pookina, I believe Carradice's advice in the following are solid:

I play the game first and foremost for fun. I support whatever call you make.

I don't think Laser is scum, but I seem to be the minority. I do agree it is best to lynch Laser if he is your target.

Also agree, that if you do choose to Vig, give the target a chance to claim.

I am guessing you don't mean wait until the exact last minute to change course(if Pook[in]a doesn]t shoot anyone).....so the last day? What if not enough are on to achieve a lynch?

Well maybe last day would work if we all had 24 or so hours....not 12 or less(just my two cents).

The reason I don't bring it up(what it is) is that I don't want to spread some personal business of mine around the forum. If you want to know my IRL issues I might tell you via PM, but I don't want to discuss what is bothering me atm in a public thread.

I'm not too good at those aspects(for various reasons), though I try my best regardless & will try to work as best I can on such in the future.

With all my prior games, people should know by now to not pin me to any side due to how they think each side would act in each game type.

I also play to win to the best of my ability, but I also like to have fun and that is a slightly bigger motivation for me....I am not trying to "ruin the games" on purpose, if you truly think that.

I defend it so much because people like to make "pokes" at it from time to time instead of just adapting to how I play and gauging me accordingly in each game.

The Laser vote? All I will say is if you aren't convinced yet then it's likely nothing will convince you so you are free to believe what you will.

It is a constant issue nagging at the back of my mind and likely will affect me in general for the next several months. As said above, I might tell you what it is via PM but I won't be listing it here(don't want people reading the forums spreading it around).

Lonzi, for one, and anyone else who hasn't posted much....I don't track post counts, i'd need to go back and check.

Who are your scum reads if any?

This is also why I play....in part because I like that play style and also because I am not so good with the investigative aspect but still want to play anyways.

Yes, to some it might seem like I am trying to ruin games for some reason or not trying, but I am not trying to ruin the games and try the best I can in most cases....I am just playing as best I can while trying to have fun....and since having fun is what I am better at that is what I do more of.

If I were better at sherlocking(investigating) I would do that more, but I am not. :|

No but is it you?

I am working on that now in a reply to Cadaver.

The short answer: SPF, Carradice, Lift, possibly GameRager.

Have a bump. We can make a Lift wagon together

It was Col. Mustard with the lead pipe in the conservatory. o.0

(To any that didn't get it...the above is a joke :))

I am not sure Lift is my top choice, but that's possible. Do you have other scum reads?

I didn't have time when I posted to go into detail. I use a POE process so let me start there.

I believe you are town. You have consistently pushed and poked people. I find myself nodding along at times, scratching my head at others. That is par for the game. The frustration that comes through in your posts seems real.

I also believe Laser is town. I still see this as a culture class issue. He comes across as arrogant and likes to push people's buttons. That doesn't mean he is scum. I could be snowing me, that's not how I read it.

I still also believe scene is town. And I still believe that he believes his pushes.

I still like Lonzi posts. When present, her posts felt pure and trying to solve. I don't think that lack of posting is due to difficulties playing scum or intentionally lurking.

I was suspicious of GameRager D1 because I thought he might be trying to blend in D1. I have mostly like his play today, certainly not blending in. It feels townie. I squinted my eyes at his Laser vote today. He's on the bubble.

I will address the rest next, there are some reasons here beyond POE.

Can't wait for your list. But for SPF and Carradice, I am not getting strong scumreads from them.

For a while I've been thinking the way Cadaver has gone about my reveal sort of reeks, however. Rather than coming to the conclusion that I messed up but that doesn't mean wasting a decent Plan B, he fired off with "YOU HELPED MAFIA" and kept that line of thinking not just going for a while, but also vocal about it. And also his insistence and doubt that I'm not the real vig and a stupid player.

I know he has backed off some of these thoughts, but when I think about them, it reads as if he's trying so hard to look like the concerned Townie. It rubs me the wrong way, honestly.

Revealing a role DOES help Mafia. Messing up and revealing a role unprompted DOES help Mafia. Having Laser / Scene as possible lynch target and always-I'm having my fun-GR and name them as your potential targets DOES NOT help Town. I was vocal about it, I'll be vocal about it as much as I want. However I haven't mentioned it lately and yet all of a sudden you *remembered* how vocal I was, you even completely ignored my post where I, among other things, stated my frustration about *you doing nothing about Scene on D1* yet naming him as your target. So I am sorry (I'm not) that I'm *insisting* (as you put it) on that you might be a fake, I have all the rights to think that, if you shot you'll clear my doubts and I'll apologies. But you'll never change the fact that Mafia will know whom they are not shooting next Night. Never!

Some? Please indulge me on my wrongdoings. Read me as Mafia for trying so hard by all means.

My take on Cadaver is that he seems to play in terms of black-and-white. My thinking was much more black-and-white in early games. Part of that for me at least was there is so much to take in as a new player. I needed strict rules to keep everything straight. Just a thought. In some ways his doggedness reminds me HypersomniacLive. His relentlessness sometimes had a harsher tone than I think he intended. Have you played with Hyper?

I can't say for certain he isn't scum, but I doubt it.

Mainly Laser. He fake shot me and then asked my role when I said you've shot a town player. Then he voted himself today in order to get an early lynch, those actions don't favour town

Lift putting Pooka on 3 votes on Day 1 was suspect to me

SPF I don't think is trying to solve the game

Lonzi is a big unknown

If the Laser/scene thing was going to be resolved, it should have happened yesterday. When D2 started, I was interested in players who didn’t at really consider this yesterday but seemed more than willing to do that today.

It didn't take long, four posts into D2 from SPF.

D1 I gave SPF a town read based on his interactions with you. When the laser/scene drama went dowm, SPF didn't seemed bothered by the interaction. He later indicated that he would policy lynch Laser, but no real scum suspicion for either Laser or scene on D1. The post linked above seemed like a scum move to push the lynch on Laser or scene at the start of D2. It did not seem like a natural progression. I do not think I have seen solving from SPF outside of 'lets lynch here'

It's also worth noting that ZFR thought this was SPF's scum game. We know ZFR was honest in this read.