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cristigale: @Laser - Don't be antagonistic, it's not helping anything.
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LASER97: I've been antagonized by Pooka's wretched showboating.

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cristigale: I have about 10 more minutes, anyone got a quick question?
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LASER97: Scum reads?
I don't think he is trying to annoy you...I think that is just his style.

Not fully caught up, but in order starting with most scummy: SPF, Carradice, and Lift. That's where I was last night. I glanced at a post or two that might modify the end of the list.

I gotta go for now. I cannot get back today for another 8 hours or so.
@Gamerager
@SupplementScene

Who would you guys suspect if I flipped town?
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LASER97: @Gamerager
@SupplementScene

Who would you guys suspect if I flipped town?
Liftrasil and maybe a lurker
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lonzi:
nudge!
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LASER97: @Gamerager
@SupplementScene

Who would you guys suspect if I flipped town?
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supplementscene: Liftrasil and maybe a lurker
That's only two people. Are you the third..?
Replied below to Laser/Cadaver/SPF/Carradice/Pook(in)a/Laser again

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LASER97: What's the plan after I flip town? That discussion is worth having as well.
Dunno...haven't thought that far ahead much....maybe play some checkers and dance the charlston a bit?

But in all seriousness, I think if Pooka shot you and flipped town we would at least have that to talk about and also 1 confirmed town vote for voting possible scum with in the future.

If you got lynched and flipped town, we'd analyze the wagons as always, and hopefully Pook(in)a would've lived until D3(if the day vig) to use their shot then.
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Cadaver747: If Pooka is fake he probably will wait till 5 seconds at EOD and then say "Oops, I felt asleep, but I'll definitely shot someone tomorrow*, and all this absurd play was done only to bring confusion, to detract our attention from something, to read Power Roles among the Town, to prolong the agony. But it's a big IF of course, still I don't trust Pooka.
That is part of why I put the vote on Laser.....I thought it was closer to deadline then it was and didn't want Pook(in)a to take us so close to deadline that we couldn't lynch anyone and ended the "day" in a no lynch.

(Also re: your suspicion of me for voting early: Fair enough and i'd expect no less from a person playing properly as town....that said, I mentioned my IRL before, and while it doesn't clear me[and shouldn't] automatically I find it a bit odd yous eem to have forgotten[or dismissed] it)

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Cadaver747: I see you all trust him, maybe you know how to have your fun properly.
I don't trust anyone fully but the now dead town(as they are verified)....but fat lot of good that does me/us.
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SirPrimalform: I was agreeing with Pookina, I read him as being surprised the Day was only a day old. I was also surprised to find the Day was only a day old so I agreed. Me thinking the day was two days old is hardly a defence of GR, because even if we were 2 days it wouldn't justify his fear of being close to the deadline.
Anecdotal as hell and take it fwiw, but I worry too much in general about everything(irl and online)....also I sleep a good deal(12 hours sometimes) which could lead me to missing a chance even within 2 days to vote if I put it off for too long.
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Carradice: For those who missed it and might like it, here goes again the parting gift for Micro. Now with the full lyrics (and some little improvements), in case you have trouble opening the video or something.
Nice little post here.....if you made those lyrics +1 for effort and giving me something a bit more entertaining to read than normal ITT.
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Pookina: Another good target of mine would be GameRager. Dude just voted Laser, who then proceeded to self-vote. He backed off when I threatened him with a kill - I suspect he wanted to end the day early before I have the chance to waste the shot, or indeed, put it on the potentially bulletproof laser, thus sealing his lynch further.
I'd rather be lynched(to fulfill the "gr almost always gets lynched or NKd after D2" staple of most games), but yer call chief-y.

(Though i'd be sad to not be able to post anymore as I so love these games, even if I am meh at them...but such is life)
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LASER97: @Gamerager
@SupplementScene

Who would you guys suspect if I flipped town?
As I said, I have some decent leaning town or neutral leaning town reads.......maybe i'd vote for Pook(in)a(if they didn't use their shot and you got lynched instead, of course, and they remained un-verified) due to the day vig thing, and maybe poke the lurkers with a vote to get them to talk more(if possible).
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(Done for now......also I also think we REALLLLY need to hear from the lurking players......*pokes lurkers with poking stick*)
Prod received, sorry I've been slammed super hard with work and haven't had time for any of my hobbies. Started catching up last night in bed and passed out part way through but I'll try to set aside some time this afternoon for the game. Hopefully I won't have to replace out.
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LASER97: Before you kill me, here are my scum reads...

1. SirPrimalForm
2. Cristigale
3. Carradice
4. Lifthrasil

Every other player is a confident town read. Now fucking kill me already!
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cristigale: Not fully caught up, but in order starting with most scummy: SPF, Carradice, and Lift. That's where I was last night. I glanced at a post or two that might modify the end of the list.

I gotta go for now. I cannot get back today for another 8 hours or so.
That's really great and all but I would like to have something in addition to the list of names? It can be a silent appeal for us to search for dirt on our own but still. I guess I'll re-read them posts again, fun...

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lonzi: Prod received, sorry I've been slammed super hard with work and haven't had time for any of my hobbies. Started catching up last night in bed and passed out part way through but I'll try to set aside some time this afternoon for the game. Hopefully I won't have to replace out.
I'd love to hear more, we all do.
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lonzi: Prod received, sorry I've been slammed super hard with work and haven't had time for any of my hobbies. Started catching up last night in bed and passed out part way through but I'll try to set aside some time this afternoon for the game. Hopefully I won't have to replace out.
Sorry to hear you've been busy....that said I hope you can post more soon and won't have to sub out(which would mean we'd need to get a replacement and get them up to speed).

Possible solution: Quit yer job ;D

(No, don't do that....I was KIDDING :))
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GameRager: That is part of why I put the vote on Laser.....I thought it was closer to deadline then it was and didn't want Pook(in)a to take us so close to deadline that we couldn't lynch anyone and ended the "day" in a no lynch.
Like I said it's a big IF we all might have suspicious by that time and probably *motivate* the would be shooter for demonstration.

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GameRager: (Also re: your suspicion of me for voting early: Fair enough and i'd expect no less from a person playing properly as town....that said, I mentioned my IRL before, and while it doesn't clear me[and shouldn't] automatically I find it a bit odd yous eem to have forgotten[or dismissed] it)
It was not only mine suspicion, it was odd by all standards. But it's your play style, I think I have the proper nickname for you now (also in accordance with your D1 joke) - GR, the Undertaker - you just love to take a big shovel and dig your own grave. And no, I haven't forgotten about your *extravagant* way of play (again thank you for the Sultan f@ck up).

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GameRager: I don't trust anyone fully but the now dead town(as they are verified)....but fat lot of good that does me/us.
Does this includes you? ;)
Figures: the Undertaker should definitely put his trust in dead men ;)

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GameRager: Anecdotal as hell and take it fwiw, but I worry too much in general about everything(irl and online)....also I sleep a good deal(12 hours sometimes) which could lead me to missing a chance even within 2 days to vote if I put it off for too long.
Why haven't you just posted something like *Hey, I overslept, can anyone tell me how much till the deadline, willing to hammer Laser*?
>>>Off-topic: 12 hours of sleep in unhealthy, might be something with your heart, also check your sugar consumption (or better yet just stop eating it completely for a few days to notice any difference).

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GameRager: I'd rather be lynched(to fulfill the "gr almost always gets lynched or NKd after D2" staple of most games), but yer call chief-y.

(Though i'd be sad to not be able to post anymore as I so love these games, even if I am meh at them...but such is life)
You haven't earn the *right* to be lynched yet, even despite your wrongdoings. Why are you telling this?

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GameRager: As I said, I have some decent leaning town or neutral leaning town reads.......maybe i'd vote for Pook(in)a(if they didn't use their shot and you got lynched instead, of course, and they remained un-verified) due to the day vig thing, and maybe poke the lurkers with a vote to get them to talk more(if possible).
As you said in that same very post of yours: "I don't trust anyone fully but the now dead town(as they are verified)"? Have you meant that even though you have some Town reads ("decent leaning town") you still don't trust them fully? Strange because only Mafia can trust Mafia fully, Town almost never. Correct me if I'm wrong.
If Pooka don't use the shot you'll *maybe* vote Pooka? OK.

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GameRager: (Done for now......also I also think we REALLLLY need to hear from the lurking players......*pokes lurkers with poking stick*)
Lonzi is hear, she will provide her insights later today. Who else? Cristi? I mean who are the lurkers for you?
Small EBWOP (hear = here, and it's not even T9, it's my brains):
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GameRager: (Done for now......also I also think we REALLLLY need to hear from the lurking players......*pokes lurkers with poking stick*)
Lonzi is here, she will provide her insights later today. Who else? Cristi? I mean who are the lurkers for you?
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Cadaver747: Like I said it's a big IF we all might have suspicious by that time and probably *motivate* the would be shooter for demonstration.
So what do you think we should do about Pook(in)a if they don't shoot anyone? How long should we wait before working on potential wagon(s)?

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Cadaver747: It was not only mine suspicion, it was odd by all standards.
I was replying to you in that bit, though yes it could apply in general as well.

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Cadaver747: But it's your play style, I think I have the proper nickname for you now (also in accordance with your D1 joke) - GR, the Undertaker - you just love to take a big shovel and dig your own grave.
It's not my play style in that case....I actually have had IRL that has affected my thoughts(they are elsewhere slightly more atm).

As for "digging my own grave"...eh, I like playing to have fun....or do you suggest I have less fun & play in a way that others are more accepting of as the supposed "proper" way to play?

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Cadaver747: And no, I haven't forgotten about your *extravagant* way of play (again thank you for the Sultan f@ck up).
Two things: It was my first time playing such a game(and i'm bad enough playing regular mafia), and didn't know how to play as I usually do and help my "side" to win(or even which way I wanted to win).....also it's just a game.....it's not like we get trophies and prizes, etc.

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Cadaver747: Does this includes you? ;)
Figures: the Undertaker should definitely put his trust in dead men ;)
Everyone puts trust 100% in themselves, but it doesn't really prove it to others(this is me musing, I know you likely know this already).

That said, I trust them 100% because they are verified town....so I was just stating/musing a fact in that case.

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Cadaver747: Why haven't you just posted something like *Hey, I overslept, can anyone tell me how much till the deadline, willing to hammer Laser*?
I do do such when I am on in time and have a chance to, and remember to check the game and post such....but as my schedule rotates I am not always on at the best times and can miss deadlines & various in-game back-forths and such.

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Cadaver747: >>>Off-topic: 12 hours of sleep in unhealthy, might be something with your heart, also check your sugar consumption (or better yet just stop eating it completely for a few days to notice any difference).
Thanks for the advice....as for sleeping: It's more around 10-12 hours maximum....I usually sleep around 8-9 hours, and mainly oversleep due to lack of things to do IRL**.

(**=I am mostly home bound, as many here know, and have little to do so I sometimes sleep a bit longer than some).

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Cadaver747: You haven't earn the *right* to be lynched yet, even despite your wrongdoings. Why are you telling this?
Sometimes I just post stuff for silly reasons, or just to post....even in these games. In this case I was making a callback to how I usually get lynched or NKd by end of D2.

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Cadaver747: As you said in that same very post of yours: "I don't trust anyone fully but the now dead town(as they are verified)"? Have you meant that even though you have some Town reads ("decent leaning town") you still don't trust them fully? Strange because only Mafia can trust Mafia fully, Town almost never. Correct me if I'm wrong.
As you said, I don't trust MOST players to be town 100%(barring exceptions like verified town and such)....as sometimes reads can be/are wrong.

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Cadaver747: If Pooka don't use the shot you'll *maybe* vote Pooka? OK.
There's little reason to today(D2), imo.....as many(myself included) want to see where this goes & if Pook(in)a (if day vig) will hit and remove a scum player.

Maybe tomorrow(if they don't day vig and still live on D3 for some odd reason) I might vote them or someone else like a lurker.

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Cadaver747: Lonzi is hear, she will provide her insights later today. Who else? Cristi? I mean who are the lurkers for you?
Anyone who doesn't post much, obviously....or anyone who doesn't say much of anything when posting.
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Pookina: The only other target I have in mind right now is scene. That makes me remember, Cadaver asked why Scene.

I townread Scene before Laser's fake kill. After the fake kill, everything is changed, and I am willing to bet a part of the puzzle lies within him. He's the kind of person who'd go down with his lie even in the face of a hammer.
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JoeSapphire: 5 - Mike the Fish (Microfish_1) - Lifthrasil, SirPrimalform, LASER97, Lonzi, Pookina,
3 - Scenes Supplamicz (supplementscene) - ZFR, Microfish_1, Cadaver747,
You see here is a slight problem. This is the voting results before 8-10 hours deadline. At this moment Scenes unvoted Micro on a pretense *have Micro claimed?* (like he didn't see it before, he was there arguing with Laser, ZFR and me) and *lured* ZFR to vote Micro (a bad move on ZFR's side, but he genuinely thought that a no lynch is nigh so...) and afterwards he hammered Micro. No one gave a damn for my pleading to wait a bit, but you... you even dared to think that my word could mean nothing and I would risk my life for a no-lynch situation, and you haven't voted Scenes that Day, we could have 4 vs 4 votes and lynch Scene even. And now you're telling us that Scene is a suitable target and everything changed after fake shooting, yet you've done nothing about Scene scum reads back then: no vote, no accusation, no probing queries, nothing.

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Pookina: Another good target of mine would be GameRager. Dude just voted Laser, who then proceeded to self-vote. He backed off when I threatened him with a kill - I suspect he wanted to end the day early before I have the chance to waste the shot, or indeed, put it on the potentially bulletproof laser, thus sealing his lynch further.
Maybe it's a good target to spend a bullet on the *Undertaker* who claims so much that he *don't know what he is doing* so that could even be the true. If he is Mafia, don't you think we can *save him for the last meal*?

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Pookina: Nobody else pops out for me at the moment. I'd appreciate more content from Lonzi, however. Or a replacement to help clear things up.
Now that's a pity. We should definitely wait for Lonzi's input, she is game so no worries. But we also need to wait for Cristigale. And maybe from Lith a bit more. Anyway I would have thought you might have something more, if you're not fake I do hope you have something else in mind just not want to tell it yet. I'll vote you if you don't shoot and live, I'll vote you right after last EOD reminder from Joe.

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Pookina: I also see Laser just responded and didn't bother to do any diffusing of the situation. Pity.
Yes. He act like he don't care at all: he hasn't responded to me (x3 posts) and I don't think we'll ever see any clarification for his list of scum reads.
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GameRager: So what do you think we should do about Pook(in)a if they don't shoot anyone? How long should we wait before working on potential wagon(s)?
I think no shoot equals fake and fake equals Mafia or crazy anti-Town, my verdict: lynch the bastard. As for how long, Joe already answered your question:
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JoeSapphire: Deadline for this phase is Saturday Evening, something like.
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GameRager: I was replying to you in that bit, though yes it could apply in general as well.
OK.

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GameRager: It's not my play style in that case....I actually have had IRL that has affected my thoughts(they are elsewhere slightly more atm).
Yeah-yeah, IRL this, IRL that. I would prefer something like *I was busy* or *my boss was an @$$, he practically forced me to work for whole night without overpay*. I mean others at least give something, you can't just shove IRL in my face all the time. I might *overreact*.

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GameRager: As for "digging my own grave"...eh, I like playing to have fun....or do you suggest I have less fun & play in a way that others are more accepting of as the supposed "proper" way to play?
I suggest have all the fun you need but play the game as well, do your part, work your way, dig for a dirt. For instance check other list of scum candidates and investigate. Do something else of having fun.

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GameRager: Two things: It was my first time playing such a game(and i'm bad enough playing regular mafia), and didn't know how to play as I usually do and help my "side" to win(or even which way I wanted to win).....also it's just a game.....it's not like we get trophies and prizes, etc.
Oh don't start it again: D1 - 3 candidates (SPF, Cadaver, Lonzi/Joppo) and Lith for no reason told us that he nominated Lonzi for lurkiness, Joppo, the Protester was executed by the Judge; D2 - 2 candidates (SPF, Joe), Joe, the Protester, was executed by the Judge; D3 - 2 candidates (SPF, ZFR) and you thought that ZFR is a Loyalist??? And what, Rebels accused different protesters all this time??? FOR REAL?!?
We expected Guard Commander to pretend he is a Protester and that he would lynch SPF, the Judge. And that's what Scene has done exactly (good play). But we would never expect a crazy Protester like you, we decided that we pinned a stupid Guard (atrocious play). We were working our asses hard only to lose because of you *having your fun*. It's not about trophies and prizes, it's about playing and winning the game, not ruining it because it's fun!
You continuously defend your play style, even the Sultan game on a pretense it was your first time (it has the same approach in reading factions), so I don't know what are you expecting for me, more scum points maybe?

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GameRager: Everyone puts trust 100% in themselves, but it doesn't really prove it to others(this is me musing, I know you likely know this already).
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GameRager: That said, I trust them 100% because they are verified town....so I was just stating/musing a fact in that case.
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GameRager: I do do such when I am on in time and have a chance to, and remember to check the game and post such....but as my schedule rotates I am not always on at the best times and can miss deadlines & various in-game back-forths and such.
If you don't have enough time you probably don't have to rush anything first thing when you finally arrive. You could have just spend 10-20 mins at most and read the latest posts. I don't think your vote is a problem, I think your reason for that vote is.

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GameRager: Thanks for the advice....as for sleeping: It's more around 10-12 hours maximum....I usually sleep around 8-9 hours, and mainly oversleep due to lack of things to do IRL**.

(**=I am mostly home bound, as many here know, and have little to do so I sometimes sleep a bit longer than some).
But if you're so bored and at home most of the time, what was that about IRL as a reason for not reading the posts, you even stated *lack of things to do IRL*. So you have IRL reasons to not read and play properly, but you don't have anything to in IRL at the same time. Was it just one instance of IRL issues? Can we expect you to have plenty of time from now on?

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GameRager: Sometimes I just post stuff for silly reasons, or just to post....even in these games. In this case I was making a callback to how I usually get lynched or NKd by end of D2.
OK.

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GameRager: As you said, I don't trust MOST players to be town 100%(barring exceptions like verified town and such)....as sometimes reads can be/are wrong.
OK.

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GameRager: There's little reason to today(D2), imo.....as many(myself included) want to see where this goes & if Pook(in)a (if day vig) will hit and remove a scum player.
OK.

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GameRager: Maybe tomorrow(if they don't day vig and still live on D3 for some odd reason) I might vote them or someone else like a lurker.
Not OK, but it's possible.

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GameRager: Anyone who doesn't post much, obviously....or anyone who doesn't say much of anything when posting.
You haven't answered my question: WHO are the lurkers? I want names not definition.
Thank you all, it was a relief to not see a bunch a new posts after my pop-in, am almost caught up.

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cristigale: I am not caught up but got a glimpse of this stance.

I disagree with this strongly, but will have to wait to explain.
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SirPrimalform: Sure, we're not in a rush yet.
SPF, scrap what I said. I was reading too quickly earlier.

I mostly agree with your post. I will pull that together with some additional thoughts in another post.