Uhhh, no. Not even close. The issue I have with ^that^ is the blatant mis-representation of my position and/or that it seems like you haven't read the things I've said very well at all and I hate repeating myself and your comments almost don't seem worth responding to at this point. BUT I'll repeat myself anyway, to clarify, because it's my job:

I think you and trent are most likely scum (you see those underlined words, they are an important, they also don't translate to "are scum", not even close.)

HSL and yogs are probably next on my "most suspicious list", but they aren't nearly as close to "most likely scum" as you and trent.

You must have missed this also, but I clearly stated my position that I think we've got 0/3 Evil killed (which, by pure obvious logic, would make wyrm Good.) To be even more direct, I believe wym to be Good. Crist and HijacK too.


I've asked this multiple times, no one has actually given an answer: how am I doing their job for them? Was it me hammering HijacK pre-maturely? Was it me starting a wagon on him with bupkis reasons? Please be specific. What part of what posts and how do those parts do their job for them? Please help me, it's the last thing I want to be doing (and don't actually think I am) and all of my fellow townies should be detailing and disuading me from doing so, but all I see are accusations and misrepresentations and no actual help to do better.

For the record, since the D2 reveal of the spectre mechanic, I never thought spectres could be NKed. I didn't need it confirmed, it just made sense that they couldn't.

HSL, my re-read of JMich has him leaning town, the stuff you're saying seems far-fetched and misconstrued to me (like you're purposefully misrepresenting him rather than simply misunderstanding him), and you know how I love conspiracy theories, but what you're saying just doesn't all seem to fit/make sense (not that it needs to, and if scum is doing a great job, it wouldn't, certainly, but I just don't see it.) Even so, I only have 2 players leaning town, JMich is 1 of them.

Again, I think the death of the herbalist really hurts Good's chances. I imagine agentcarr set it up figuring the herbalist would get to L-1, claim, be spared the lynch, someone else would die that day, then at night, to be absolutely sure, he would protect himself. Evil would have then either figured him to 1.) protect himself and gone for a different target and would kill him the following night (since he can't target the same player 2 nights in a row), OR, they would have attempted the NK on him, hoping he'd be anticipating the 1st move ^ and get him that night, but if he did protect himself, they'd just get him the next night. I figure HijacK would have played it safe like he said he would and protected himself. Anyway, the point of all that is that I figure agent to have set it up so that Good were almost guaranteed 4 lives instead of 3, that balance is now lost, and we're wayyy behind now. It's going to be a tough win, but just that, tough.

You have been hogging all of the chicken wings the entire game!

That "almost unlynchable" is bollocks, and you know it, the D2 opening post leaves no doubt about that, but nice try; you couldn't exactly argue "I meant almost verified, totally unlynchable and almost unkillable", could you now?
As for the rest, here's how I see things:
- If you're Town, take responsibility for your actions, and don't shift the blame on me or try to guilt trip me; insinuating that I've manipulated you into this reaction is ludicrous.It's your choice how you handle things. So, was that necessary? No-one's voting you, no-one else is (or at least was until you opened your mouth) even looking your way, and it's not like people are lining up to follow my lead.
Unless you're doing what I thought adaliabooks might have been doing, in which case... well, we'll see then, won't we?
- If you're Mafia, that's exactly what I expected Mafia to do at this point, and even from the beginning, play with our fear of losing our Power-Roles and lose the game; all it'd take is a hint to being one and we'd back off, eh?

And did I say anywhere that adaliabooks is in the clear? I'm looking into him, have been for some time now while you were sitting back; does that automatically make you Town? If so, I'll be sue to try it next time.

I've said my piece about you, it's up to the other players to take it into account or discard it. And what you say and/or do is on you.

Question, is my post 832 misrepresenting adalia's views up to that point, or not? If yes, how do you explain his posts I mentioned in 885? If no, then why are you saying I am misrepresenting him?

Oh, and do have a vote for all your attempts to discredit me. I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I doubt I can do that any more.

Vote HypersomniacLive

I just thoroughly re-read Day 1...

Dessimu just comes of as scummy to me, so I'm happy where my vote is for now. Seemingly random claims about people like Drealmer and HSL changing their meta. The problem is I don't see this change, especially Drealmer. A lot of opinion pushing and pulling as if he's trying to see what he can make stick. In terms of wagon analysis, he placed a vote on Drealmer in the "scum band" as well among his various vote hopping.
If I had to pick a second (through analysis), its gotta be Babark. It's not that he slips at all, its just the complete lack of anything makes me wonder if he's not posting much for fear of slipping. He did happen to also place an early 3rd vote on a player in RVS, was this an attempt to get a wagon going? Does anyone know, was there time for a Night 0? Would the mods tell us if scum had a chance to talk to one another prior to game start?

Sadly, the most town leaning seem to have been NK'd. My gut is telling me Drealmer is town though. I hate the early No-Lynch talk, but that isn't unusual for Drealmer. Very spot on his meta.

While I'm still surprised JMich is still alive, I can see why someone might think Bookwyrm was a greater threat. JMich doesn't often say much in any game. Still, I always worry when he is still alive in a game. Almost seems as if either Krypsyn or JMich survive late in a game, its because they are scum.

I'll be reading through Day 2 more thoroughly this afternoon.

Long quote as on phone. JMich is my number 2. Should his wagon gain more steam than adaliabooks I am happy to vote for him.

I see this and will get to it later. Also....


I'll honestly tell you I have you and babark together simply because I think the odds are good one of you new players are scum. My spider sense gives me the babark is scum tingles more so than you (lotsofchickenwings).

I've gotten the feeling a4plz/RWarehall was simply enthusiastic early on, so less scum more town. Not ruled out, but not a high potential of being scum. This is based on empirical data pulled straight out of my bum. XD

I do wish I could give a more analytical read on a couple of players.....but this week I've had a wedding shower, two baby showers, and a birthday party tonight which has pulled me all over town.

I thought you were showing! When are you due?

By causing chaos, by accusing anyone who dares to call you out or find you scummy of being scum. Scum will never NK someone who is accusing and hounding other townies, and I know for certain you are doing that to at least one person, so scum aren't going to take you out.


I'm really not sure what Hyper's trying to do here... how many of you assumed the Spectres would be able to be NK'd?
If anything I think the fact JMich (and drealmer) clearly had the exact same idea as I did that Spectres were unkillable except by the Exorcist makes what I said have even less impact on my possible alignment.

Without doing a reread it's hard to be conclusive, but I've mostly found JMich townie too (admittedly I have done so in the past and he eventually turned out scum, though a reread did convince me that was the case in that game) and Hyper really seems desperate to tie him to my rapidly sinking star, presumably to set him up for tomorrow's lynch.

I'm really not quite sure what to think here...
My best guess for scum is yogs, Hyper and babark but I've not really seen much to suggest they are buddies.. and CSPVG was reading town to me before yogs subbed in...

I'm fairly sure I'm going to get lynched today anyway, and presumably I'll be exorcised so you know.... *shrugs*

The only way you could know for "certain" that I'm "hounding townies" is if you're scum. Care to clarify for me who the townie is you're referring to, scum? Thanks for clarifying yourself as scum, at least.

Also, that's not what I asked for and isn't helpful to what I was looking for (not that you'd care to be as scum, but to reiterate: I asked for actual quotes and explicit explanations, you gave generalities and vagueness. "Causing chaos?" You mean by defending and re-explaining my positions and views? Or by hammering a PR? Again, quote where I'm causing chaos in your view and explain why that is what it is as opposed to scum-hunting.) ...and yet you give HSL's hounding throughout the entire game a pass because...? (seriously, go back and read the thread, he's 'hounding' me and others a lot more than I'm 'hounding' anyone.) Ahyes, he's your scum-buddy, that's why.

you're "not sure what hyper is doing here"...he's sewing doubt, grasping at straws, and trying to buddy up to some townies (that's how it is continuing to read to me, anyway, sure, I could be WRONG.)

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I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer, if you're so far up your own ass that you don't know what I meant then I really can't be bothered pointing it out to you.

QQ

Seriously folks, I'm just trying to play the game and have fun (and help others have fun too, of course! *puts on a tutu and a football helmet and dances with flubbyflubflub*) I defend myself when I feel attacked and re-emphasize my points of view when I feel they are being misunderstood. That's all I'm doing (except that ONE time, when I felt another player was hurting the game and told them so), if any of you are taking any of that personally I can't help that, as it's never been personal for me.

I'm trying to find Evil. If you think my methods suck, you can talk to me about it as a fellow Good, try and help me do better, and do the same (Evil-hunt with me, if you think I'm good.) Otherwise you need to convince others I'm scum and get me lynched. Anything else is "white noise" as yogsoth put it.

Come on adaliabooks. I don't like this from you. If you are town then fight for it. This does not read as town. This reads as defeatest scum...like "ho hum...it sucks to be a townie to die...woe is me" when you are really scum. But if you are town - defend yourself. I don't want to lynch another townie. a4plz - isn't here to hammer you at L1, but we know that claims soft or hard don't do any good at this point anyway, because if you claim and actually are a PR, the scum will kill you at night.

I'm sure you are aware of all this. And maybe you do think the town doesn't stand a chance with 2 of the 3 PR's gone, but man - talk like this does not make me want to take my vote of you. Stand up and give a d--- for your town self, if any of you is actually town.

Why are you sure you are going to get lynched today? If you are town, then there are likely 2 or 3 who are on or will be on your wagon. Appeal to those of us on your wagon who are town. Can we afford to lose another townie? Mathematically, yes - but it makes this predicament even more sticky for town to lynch three mafia in a row. So I know this is basically asking you to put wine directly in front of me - but at this point it's worth hearing anything.

votecount please

and so this post has more value than just a votecount request...

@babark what is your take on JMich?

@babark what is your take on Adaliabook?