Do you not think before you post?? Why exactly would scum need to know alignment on a lynch? Don't forget to fill out your ID ten T form before you post again. You can keep trying to justify a no lynch, but it was a bad play.

*yawn* As you certainly know (so your sarcastic asking is again another ping of scummy-ness, it shows you aren't actually interested in working towards understanding, but that you just aim to be antagonistic), that it should only be part of the picture. The biggest part of my picture on you is that you're word-twisty to an extreme amount (so much so that I no longer think it is simple misunderstanding but deliberate mis-representing), defensive, and attacking. Meta of scum-HSL SUPPORTS this (not drives it.)

Anything else you wish to try and turn around on me?

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Really?

Just quick scanning since my last post, mostly the shorter stuff, and I come across this line.

There was a complete, sudden, train-wrecking stop in my head as I tried to process this. BSOD scale break in processing. Even now, after rereading it multiple times, I'm coming up blank on why anyone who has played multiple games would even considering posting a line like this.

I don't...just...what?

You're a lost cause. Anyone who questions you or disagrees with you is scummy. Just an FYI I think once again you are wrong, HSL has been acting in a townie manner but you are so self absorbed you can't see it.

Frankly, I really don't care anymore what you think. Make your case, convince others of my irrefutable scuminnes, and lynch me. It comes with the added benefit that I won't return as a Spectre.

Just know, that in case you are Town, which I doubt more than ever after your post #599, you're doing Scum's job.

I'll not take this personally and instead just see it as a reinforcement of your scummy-ness.

and umm...No lynch was a bad play eh? As bad of a play as your shit meta-switch play (whether true or not) ? Not even close!

And really, if you still want to take issue with the no-lynch result of D1, you should be giving shit to the other players, not me, I wanted you lynched, not no-lynch. You wanted me to vote myself and push my own wagon, didn't you? You saw me vote myself early in the game and got excited that I might do it again?

Then can you please answer the question since trent refuses to instead of treating me like a fucking moron for not seeing it?

Absolute nonsense and not even close to an accurate representation of my position! Keep on it and you might convince everyone else though and maybe you'll succeed in getting my lynch and be able to feel all superior in the end for it.

It's certainly not irrefutable, and I never said it was. But again, you twist my words and position quite nicely to make it seem like you're the good guy and I suck. If you're town you need to get over the fact that not everyone sees everything EXACTLY THE SAME and accept it. I am town, and I never have any intention of doing scum's job for them. How is it that you see that I am, anyway? Can you elaborate on that? Or is it just another statement you're going to make without actually backing it up?

At this point I feel that you and trent are likely confident about your playstyles in this game because of the no-flips on lynch mechanic, knowing that if I get lynched and investigated (of course assuming I or a previous death is not the undertaker) there will be no "he was Good" announcement and you continue on pretending to be doing good town work but actually furthering your own Evil objective.

Anyway, let's assume the 3 of us are town and all completely misguided. What do we do now?

What you posted was idiotic so yes I was calling you an idiot. Go back and read what you posted.

I read it multiple times. I even did so before I posted it and tried to make it as simple as possible for others to follow. It's quite logical as I see it, but I'll refrain from making personal attacks on your intelligence for not being able to make sense of it, as simple as it is. It'd be nice if you actually said WHY you find it idiotic. Maybe I'd be able to comprehend your misunderstanding (if that is the issue with you thinking it is stupid, because you don't understand it) or what the disagreeance is and help clarify it for you (for us both.) As it is, to me it seems all you're interested in is being antagonistic, as you've been the whole game. Here, smoke some weed (not that I have any, damnit!), it will help with your tunnel-vision.

Explain to me like I'm an idiot then as to why it benefits scum to know alignment on a lynch?

Alright, then I have a request. Please take a look at Trent's posts again, and build a case for him being Town under the assumption he is Town.

Is it just me, or is there a problem here?
Drealmer, I'd like to hear how you reconcile these two statements.

Knowing what information is available from flips allows for town to confidently make certain kinds of decisions. For example, if town knows that a player's alignment, character name, and role flip upon lynch, then town can choose to lynch a player to verify claims.

More specifically, if I claim Role Cop, and I claim to have investigated 3 other people, and my claim contradicts one of their claims, then town can lynch one of the two players with contradicting claims to verify information. If, on the other hand, town knows that all town gets from the mod is confirmation of a dead player, then town knows they can't just kill one of the competing claims to determine truth. If town doesn't know whether they'll get the role information from the flip, the course of action becomes a lot less clear.

Figuring out whether flips are useful Day 1 means a better chance that town doesn't kill someone important and also that town won't find itself in a bind where it really could have used that knowledge. The longer the wait, the greater the chance of eliminating someone important in the process of finding out (and maybe finding out that the wrong decision was made), because there are fewer candidates to choose.

You've mentioned how No Lynch on Day 1 means scum have a wider pool of targets when aiming for power roles. You haven't mentioned how it means Town has a wider pool of targets for hitting scum, and you haven't mentioned how it means that potential town roles have a wider pool for finding scum (in the event the third role was an investigative role) or possibly no pool at all for investigating (coroner). It also means that later, if/when the coroner lays out his reads, there is one less night of confirmed wagon to look at. Sure would be nice for town to know whether HSL avoided finishing a scum buddy, wouldn't it?

*laughing at self* BAHAHAHA ok ok ok ok, wow, yes, so stupid. I'm sorry, trent, sorry everyone! I'M A FuCKING IDIOT!!! See, I have such little experience with being scum I was missing the obvious. Of course scum already knows everyone's alignments! DUUHHHH OOPS! *looks for the ID10T form* *can't find it, obvious sign of needing it*

I still don't see how it benefits town to see IF there is flip information given though, and what I was seeing from you was wanting a lynch to see IF information was given (which I'm quite convinced there will be none) as an excuse to make a lynch happen at all costs (because scum loves mis-lynches, that's town doing scum's job for them), as if it would benefit town to see IF. Can you explain to me how town would benefit from finding out IF any information is given?

I honestly wish you'd take some of the advice you're so eager to offer others. Just look at what you've written in this very post.

If you turn out to be Town, I'd be utterly disappointed because of your play. At least as Scum you'd have successfully used your multiple appeals to emotion and wearing-down play to pave your way to victory.

Does it matter what I think we do? I've made a couple of suggestions and put my thoughts on the table foe everyone to see, and comment on, both on D1 and D2; but I forgot, I never back up what I say, so all you can see is "oh noes, more scummy actions".

Lunch break check in. I agree that we all need to get a vote on the table. I'll place mine this evening when I'm not on a phone. Whether town of scum, drealmer seems to be imploding. Drealmerr, if you are town, I encourage you to take a deep breath and take a step back for a few minutes.