drealmer7: Your bilnd "kill anyone as long as someone dies" mentality is very very anti-town.

I'm seeing more and more potential for HSL and trent to be scum-buddies, going for the win by seeming to play against each other and 1 of them (HSL) winning serious enough town points to survive until the end. Not saying this is solidly evidenced or highly likely at this point, but it is something to keep in mind when analyzing everything.

HijacK: You act as if a dead townie's judgement is infallible and couldn't make a mistake, like placing a vote on one of the 3 good roles. That, right there, is a vote you don't want on one of those townies. Let's assume we suck at lynching scum, like hella bad. And boom, we reach a stage where scum are like, 1 less than majority vote. You wouldn't want that vote on your good role, would you? Except if... you were scum...

Dessimu: CSPVG...what are your actual reasons for lurking?

HypersomniacLive: The three good roles? As opposite to the three bad roles, I assume.

Remind me again how we'd know who they are.

Remind me again how you'd tell the difference between a Town-Spectre and a Mafia-Spectre, if the Coroner doesn't speak up or is dead.

Also, amazing scum-hunting.

lotsofchickenwings: Trying quite again. -- I don't disagree with you. Would love to hear more about why Hijack or trentwolf ?

drealmer7: getting personal now??? *ping*

if this message of yours isn't a scum tactic then: I found what I said to be fucking HILARIOUS, and intended it in light and good humor for all (especially trent!)...it sucks you couldn't see it that way (I don't want to get into why you thought it was childish or defend/explain it more than that, it's a bad line to go on for the game, I think.) Maybe you're already convinced I'm childish and so you view anything you can find as me being childish?

interesting, trent still thinks I'm very likely scum buuut now HijacK is more likely? Wow, he just contradicts himself all over the place! wriggling scum indeed! (I think!)

BEAUTIFUL DAY after about 2 weeks of cold nights and rainy days. I'M OUT IN IT (just inside for lunch!)

drealmer7: this process will nitpick and comment on almost every single post by persons on my wagon that I see that I think COULD be relevant to rooting out Evil, some of it is baseless, some of it is founded, all of it is assuming the player to be Evil (and so will seem very conspiracy theorist, which is the point, to find out if I+the rest of you think the conspiracy theory has merit or is too far-fetched or unlikely), for the purpose of following the logic of IF they are Evil...(1 player at a time per post in order to keep things organized) - 1st :

trentonlf -

1. This could be 1 Evil telling another Evil this is not the route to go as it draws suspicion and to get off such a line of pursuit, it could also be 1 Evil telling 1 Good the standard position, trying to look like they are Good.

2. trent shocks the world with an admission that no-lynch could be a viable option. I run things through my head and agree and then he either backpedals a little or hadn't fully articulated himself in the previous post. My thought is that he ran it back through his head and realized how much it could hinder Evil's advantage if there was a no-lynch, and wishes he had never said anything about it. This could also very likely be that he's reserving the option to endorse no-lynch if his Evil-self or an Evil-buddy face lynch. One of his scum-buddies wagons gets going and suddenly he whips out "actually today might be a good day to no-lynch!" No evidence for this, of course, but still quite possible.

3. if Evil this is a safe opportunity for him to appear towny without actually helping town (and if a4plz is his Evil-buddy it gives basis for busing later.)

4. he then votes me for...I'm not sure why, maybe he is frustrated Evil because at almost 300 posts no one has really provided themselves as a good "target" for him and his fellow Evil-doers, and so tries to get me going.

5. then there's this

6. here he appears to elaborate a little more (oh, now it's maybe 'viable later in the game' ["when one of my Evil-buddies has a wagon on them], but doesn't really tell us WHY he thinks it is a bad idea, just that it is because we need to know what flips are going to be like first? I don't follow that logic at all and would like to understand why town needs to know what flips are going to be like RIGHT AWAY. I think it much more benefits Evil to have that knowledge and I think it's possible he does too and desperately wants it.

7. here he completely misrepresents me saying that I said not agreeing with me is anti-town, when what I said is clearly "refusing to even consider what I say is anti-town." and then he tries to paint me as "the man who usually gets it wrong." Ummm, I'm often right, actually, and if I pose 10 alternate theories at once, even if 1 of them is right, 9 are wrong, and that isn't a basis for saying "I usually get it wrong", because I'm not strictly saying "THIS IS RIGHT", all I ever mean to say is "this is POSSIBLE" - if I think something is absolutely right, I say it explicitly, which I've also done a few times (most memorable 2 is that JMich was town in Vitek's game and that bler was scum in flub's game.)

8. and [url=https://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_game_40_wilderberry_hollow/post392]here he gets rather hostile at me for sharing my vote counts and not being the moderator. Plenty of games plenty of players share a vote count when the mod hasn't in a bit and I've never seen anyone say anything about it, I think he's just searching for reasons to paint me in a bad light and trying to get me to actually be a distraction (he simply could not look at those posts, as can anyone who didn't like them, I have no idea how they are unhelpful or a distraction, but arguing about whether they are helpful or a distraction would have been more distracting than they were by themselves, which I think is what trent was going for, trying to make it seem like I was the one causing distraction, when the distraction really would have been his continuous taking issue with it.)

9. here he claims flubbucket is being helpful and more involved...You mean because he agreed with you about me once and poked at me once or twice? I obviously haven't done this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ with flubb yet, but I look forward to going back and seeing what helpful involvement he has contributed, because I don't recall any. Evil-buddies, perhaps.

10. [url=https://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_game_40_wilderberry_hollow/post417]claimsof me being anti-town, but not actually saying HOW (which I've called for him to elaborate on a few times since, and he has not.) For the record, I've been scum all of 2 times, and I didn't find it hard to appear town at all (oh no, lynch me out of fear of my mad skillz! *sarcasm*) 1st in the all-mafia game (where I stayed alive all the way until the end where I gaffed on the lynch of bler) and 2nd in the lovers game, which I won. You're simply making false statements. *ping*

11. seemingly trying to provoke a negative reaction from me

---- end of D1 trent on my wagon analysis ----

I haven't done my other 4 analyses, but I don't think any of them are going to present a better case for "who on my wagon was most likely scum", so this is so strong that I'm going to go ahead and

vote trentonlf

I'm not sure when I'll get to the rest, I am going to do dessimu last because of potential replacement and because he has by far the most posts to go over. flub and babark should go relatively fast but I don't think I'll have time to complete either of them atm/for some more hours.

JMich: So it's simple: I'm comfortable with no-lynch in a situation where the only other option is lynching someone I view as likely town (or if I have some sort of confirmation via a role or other mechanic and am actually certain. Of course, one is always certain of the self too.)

babark: No vote yet, but to be honest, I'm still leaning towards drealmer7.

HypersomniacLive: No chanting, it was just how I chose to reply to drealmer7's question if I were Scum. It's inspired by this, but since none of you made the connection, I can only assume that no-one has read the book or watched the film.

trentonlf: The best idea I have is to lynch you and move on.

trentonlf: All right I'm done with my little experiment. I decided half way through Day 1 to change my meta up and get overly aggressive with someone, and man drealmer do you make it easy, to see what responses I could elicit from other players.

CSPVG: This quote does not resemble what I remember of your actions on D1, though.

Maybe I need to go and have a re-read, but your stance on no-lynch did not seem like it was an either-or matter yesterday. Sure, at some stage you voted trenton, but you also voted no-lynch and advocated for it much more than you advocated for a trenton wagon (I could be mistaken about this fact, though, as I haven't gone to check).

I'm not going to quote the whole thing, but I did want to say that I like your contributions when you manage them, so please do try to post more.

I've watched that film, and I think flub alluded to it yesterday at some point, I just can't remember a thing about it. As for the 'chanting': fair enough, I guess.

This is, again, a terribly strange post.

I don't know where to start with this - You what!?

Basically everything you say from this point onward is WIFOM, as you're either Town that tried to execute an experiment and that is now revealing this fact to us for some reason, or you're Mafia and beating a hasty retreat from an unpopular position that has made you the center of attention for too long.

I think I need to lie down.

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Here's to hoping this won't merge (the time stamp says 13 minutes).

Multi-quote man
took my hand
led me to his pretty land
there were gold nuggets panned
up in the rolling hills of Multi-quote land
Multi-quote, man

TheGOGfather: Thank you CSPVG

CSPVG: Does this mean I'm now a capo?

Trenton: Instead of just having a lie down, I'm going to throw myself into a skip where I will sit and cry for awhile.

trentonlf: Do you need a blanket to wrap yourself in and maybe a bottle of alcohol to help ease the pain?

cristigale: [...]

If you are scum, I’d assume 0-1 scum was on your wagon. Probably zero, but a scum may have been on there to gain town cred. If this is the case, I doubt it's trent. I don't see you and trent being scum-buddies. [...]

lotsofchickenwings: [...] Why not say - hey i might try something different. The girl with nothing to lose in Avalon, admitted right away she just wanted to try something different. This feels like desperation coming from you now.

flubbucket: Frankly I thought the answer was obvious.

As I stated, the possibility exists only from my experience from older games.

Specifically, there were no reveals of Night Kills except to the mafia. Lynches were different but not consistent. It depended on the moderator.

drealmer7: [...]

interesting, trent still thinks I'm very likely scum buuut now HijacK is more likely? Wow, he just contradicts himself all over the place! wriggling scum indeed! (I think!)

[...]

CSPVG: [...]

While I don't like HijacK's lurking or current actions, I think you're being a bit dismissive here.

While the likelihood of such an event may seem low, it could be possible that a Spectre-train (this is the name of my new screamo band, we sing about the pain of standing in lines that are slightly too long, bringing about our blood-soaked kingdom of pain, and how we felt that one time Jenny Damascus from AP Math once told us she wouldn't go out with us because she didn't, "Date weirdo emo losers that drive around in the Mystery Machines ugly brother.") could form on one of the three Good roles that could result in a lynch due to them being unable to unvote.

[...]

HypersomniacLive: ..................
Well, you know that my experience is very limited, and pales compared to yours, so sorry that the answer was not obvious to me. But thanks for answering.
..................

agentcarr16: It is not about 4:30 pm.

lotsofchickenwings: [...] Why not say - hey i might try something different. The girl with nothing to lose in Avalon, admitted right away she just wanted to try something different. This feels like desperation coming from you now.

flubbucket: Frankly I thought the answer was obvious.

As I stated, the possibility exists only from my experience from older games.

Specifically, there were no reveals of Night Kills except to the mafia. Lynches were different but not consistent. It depended on the moderator.

drealmer7: [...]

interesting, trent still thinks I'm very likely scum buuut now HijacK is more likely? Wow, he just contradicts himself all over the place! wriggling scum indeed! (I think!)

[...]

CSPVG: [...]

While I don't like HijacK's lurking or current actions, I think you're being a bit dismissive here.

While the likelihood of such an event may seem low, it could be possible that a Spectre-train (this is the name of my new screamo band, we sing about the pain of standing in lines that are slightly too long, bringing about our blood-soaked kingdom of pain, and how we felt that one time Jenny Damascus from AP Math once told us she wouldn't go out with us because she didn't, "Date weirdo emo losers that drive around in the Mystery Machines ugly brother.") could form on one of the three Good roles that could result in a lynch due to them being unable to unvote.

[...]

bler144: Second-worst town crier ever.

Still better than Jon Cryer.