I understand and appreciate your honest reply, P1na, and I believethat your play is consistent and doesn't necessarily mean anything either way (mafia vs. town), and I don't need every post to be super-analytical or deep or serious, feel free to joke, please, have fun, that is the point, but, don't impede town in the process. Also, you then say you might get a little more involved later when it becomes more interesting, and have in previous games. Well that and more that you've said (like you "join to play as a filler" for player numbers in a game) just doesn't sit well with me either. Sure it may be true, but then it also just sounds like a convenient uber-lurker excuse from someone who consistently plays in a playstyle that serves scum if they happen to roll scum and otherwise it/they can be excused because it is how they always play, which as I've said before, I notice others to do, I take issue with, obviously.

But, for you, for me, it just digs even deeper than that against how I think the game should be played and I think the more we talk about the more that much of a disinterest in the game is more becoming a reason for me to go for a policy-lynch (am I using that right, people?) on you or anyone else who behaves that way every game. It's nothing personal, really, just different playstyles that don't seem to mesh. As was said, it is very anti-town and distracts from the game in a way I don't think is good for the game.

Alright, I think that's enough on all of that from me at least. I am open to hearing other people's positions, of course, that think I should think another way for whatever reasons. I am still learning.

Hold the phone, what? I'm not voting to Krypsyn because of introducing "heh". I voting because he is the biggest user of it. And it only serves to answer posts, without having to say anything. Quite anti town IMHO

I thought so too for a little bit in the last game, and it really aggrivated me for a time, but he actually turned out to be subliminally helpful at times too, I eventually discovered, even sometimes with his "heh"s. He has been being more helpful in this game than the last too, imo. It's not like he's not just posting "heh" and nothing else, that might be anti-town if he were, but, he's saying other stuff too, game-related. Do you not view P1na's behavior as way more anti-town? Even beyond P1na, I think there are definitely others who are not contributing/their contributions are more antagonistic or maybe possibly can be viewed as somewhat anti-town, maybe, and krypsyn doesn't even begin to top that list, again, imo. Your vote on him to me stands out as odd, certainly, but then maybe you haven't played with him before? Not that you shouldn't be keeping your eye on him! As with everyone! You never know, but to vote him?

You seem hell'a sure yogy is no scum.

Hmmmm. I recall some people calling for my lynch purely on the basis of aggressiveness, whatever the hell that may mean. Flub is generally weird. I would not be surprised if he actually believed that.... but, I don't really buy it. The nature of that statement is simply outrageous. *talks out of personal experience*

....... Was that rap about me?.....

Aaaaand, I got another story about wild parties. Yesterday was BOMB!.... but.... there may be one more tonight, so stay tuned for my stories tomorrow. Catching up now.

Long day today. Good thing there isn't too much to catch up to. brb

I have to admit, you're going to be a tough sell for me to lynch this game because if we keep you around, it's only a matter of time before one of your posts starts off:

"Dear Penthouse Forum,

So I'm at this party with three chicks, a jug of Gypsy moonshine and a squad of Russian gangsters..."

And I am NOT going to be the one responsible for depriving the thread of that ;)

But please maybe start contributing, m'kay?

Right, haven't had a chance to catch up properly (still a few posts behind) but I'm up early again for work tomorrow and have to sleep.

I'll be on at some point tomorrow night.

But for now, as this popped up as a reply to me I'll respond to it:

Not sure, but reasonably convinced. His play makes very little sense from a scum point of view, he's going to have to reveal his role and results for it.
If he is claiming Coroner then he'll have to hope to get lucky like I did last game, and be able to make up whatever info is missing (or supposedly missing). Unless he is a scum Janitor I suppose, but then he has to hope town doesn't have a real Coroner...
If he's PGO he'll get policy lynched anyway as it can't be proven. Even more so if that is the case and we lose town power roles tonight because he didn't outright claim it.
The other roles are less problematic claims for scum, but I really don't think it's anything other than those two.
Even if he hoped for the kind of reaction he's gotten (a bit of heat and some votes, but then attention moving elsewhere) he would still need to be able to bluff said role for the rest of the game, while also being under more suspicion than he might otherwise have been.
Makes sense to me that he's more than likely town.

Sure. But lying on Day 1 just to break RVS isn't anywhere near the the kind of circumstances that would call for it.

Still visiting. Probably be tomorrow afternoon before I get caught up and really respond. I see Drealmer has left a page of posts.

No

Not my favorite fruit.

Not cool, man. Not cool. Regardless of whether or not you are actually telling the truth.



Why would someone breadcrumb they are an SK?

This. If it was another player I know better I would've probably discarded such a possibility but this is my first game with p1na so anything is possible. Regardless of what his agenda is I find his behavior quite anti-town. He's is practically fishing for votes, claimed vanilla which if Town pretty much negates the only strength of the role and it serves as a distraction; and on the flip side it's one of the safest scum false claims. p1na also seems to be not as interested in the game as one should be which doesn't do him any favors. Nor does placing votes without the slightest hint of decent reasoning. All that together is making him my top pick right now.

vote p1na



You are correct. I failed to express my thoughts in a proper way. What I meant was that at least he's posting more often than what I have come to expect from him in contrast with cristi and (at the time) p1na. But yes, I don't lobby for his participation being among the most useful ones.



I was one such droid. I would sacrifice myself to save a human Townie during a failed crisis that has to kill someone. I won as long as Town won and there was at least 1 human alive. All in all I was 100% Town, just a bit harder to win.



I have been meaning to ask you this for quite a while now. Why do you always use double question marks? And I'm interested in an actual and to-the-point answer. If you don't have a reason or don't want to answer feel free to ignore the question :)



You may be thinking of me. Not sure about Wyrm's stance on this.



Does that mean we should give a free pass to anyone who clearly doesn't act pro-town just because we don't know them? And even if someone vouches for you on this being your normal behavior that still doesn't cut it. "Don't mind him. He is a liability every time even though he isn't always scum!"


@yogs, this is a very good example of what we discussed earlier. Such behavior I would totally agree to policy lynch for playing in the same way one always does if it's always anti-town.

I actually did that.

Remind me again, where was yogy confirmed town?

Is the class online? I can take up a few more credits.

Although I'm not voting for him, yogy is a tough one. He looks townie most of the time, that's what his agenda I think it is regardless of his alignment, because he then can convince people of what he's saying. Puts that reputation to good use. I take everything he says with a grin of salt, unless we're scum together or lovers.
Can there be scum lovers? I feel like such a role should be a thing.

PS: How can you guys post so fucking much?

What happened to you? You used to be so much fun. And then they came along.

Final wiffleball score was "quite a lot" to "a whole bunch". I'm not sure which one we were, but I'm pretty sure we lost. Pizza was had and another winter ball season came to a close.

I've read everything. Even the drealmer posts - mostly. Not much too relevatory except that it's apparently all our faults that P1na soft claimed Neutral Survivor and then Town Vanilla. If Town Vanilla - sorry, guess I'm just a bad player!

I probably won't be back until Sunday afternoon.

Everybody comes around once they see the shitstorm they have to catch up to after something like 2 days. >.> Being a slow reader makes things worse.

Yup, I +1 this post.

My soul should be elite level by now then.

*reading bler's analysis of yogy and krypsy kream*

..... You have no idea.....

I don't think he'll get lynched. Various reasons for that. Not sure if I want him to get lynched. 'Tis simply because I don't like the fact that playstyles were brought up.

What? *looks confused*

Nah, the answer is a lot simpler. Life.

Right, so yogy can be a nicer guy, but suddenly everyone else who presents themselves in a different light are slightly more scummy than the usual suspicion scummy for everyone?

A bunch of people's behavior.

Your vote on flub seems to contradict that as he's definitely not one to lay low this game.... which, yes, does actually make me raise an eyebrow. But then again, you managed to become nicer, so I don't know. I hate votes based on playstyle.

Heh. I was genuinely happy about the fact that I was able to trick you last game.

Well...are you drunk? Or hungover perhaps and all of your brain-functions aren't necessarily functioning too well? What are you confused about exactly? I will try to explain my meaning further/more clearly for you though, no worries, it'll be here for when you are sober! I think you've been sitting in the back of this conference room practically the whole time taking sips from your whisky bottle or whatever that is that you have there tucked in your clothes and nodding off at various intervals to the discussions that we are trying to have here. But, I will try to help you understand anyway.

First of all, let me parse down to the part of the quote of HSL's I'm referring to. HSL said here "@trentonlf ...All you seem to do D1 is tell us what not to talk about, what not to do, initiate no discussion, then wait till someone says or does something you perceive as unacceptable, and cast a vote...Would you do anything to move the game along, and what? Or would we be stuck in RVS till the deadline forced us to lynch someone we'd somehow agree upon?
Just to be clear - I don't claim to be any good at D1, but at least I'm not quick to convict those that do try..."

I agree with that stuff/those were some of the issues I had with trentonlf's play in the last game (my only game with him at that point.) I also found it a bit off-putting at first that he was so adamant about the PM stuff in that game, but, I understand that more now as his position and don't really take issue with it now...


To elaborate more (really probably not necessary to read!!) :

I had issues with trent in the last game because trent not only did he seem to sit back and not say much, make votes with not too much good reason behind them at times, jump around a little, be quick to harp on people for their reasons but not provide his own, and was seeming antagonistic at times considering he didn't offer up much himself. I thought he came off as scummy. And I was wrong, so, yeah, *shrug*, playstyles that come off scummy-convenient to me yet aren't scum necessarily every time they play that way just bother me a little bit to varying degrees. It will probably get more refined/developed//be different for different players as I get to know them as play more games, maybe I'll just get over it, who knows? I doubt P1na's, however, and I doubt some others , just like I RVS.

Anyway, at this point trent has explained himself/his playstyles quite sufficiently enough to me (the suckage of D1, really, as well as the vote-casting to see reaction stuff and being at a loss at what to do, really) as to why he is like that and I definitely am not finding him scummy this game like I did last game with understanding his position/playstyles more.

It really is just related to the "hating votes based on playstyle" in that I find some playstyles voteable, and some others not. I do really hope that is clearer.