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agentcarr16: Tell me. Honestly. Do you want to know what the consequences would be if we fail?
I'm most honestly telling you that I would be perfectly happy if I don't find out more details than what I already read in #2 for the rest of the game.



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agentcarr16: And no, that is not the only thing. I never said it was the only thing. I'm not getting on because I have no reason to get on. I'm perfectly aware of the fact that those who hop on a wagon without reason are scummy. I have no reason. Therefore I will not hop on wagon.
And there is NO way that this gives me a pass to get on the wagon in the future. Rather the opposite.
That's great but what is the point in talking about it then? If you are not going to jump on that wagon at all why even bother mentioning it? What I didn't like about that was the fact that you took the time to say that if you are joining Ix's wagon it will be oput of boredom, but that will make you look scummy. This sentence alone makes you look scummy. Who joins wagons out of boredom? Not Town, that's who. Who puts more weight on not looking scummy than on collaboration, questioning people, discussing and whatever else is important at the moment? Not Town, that's who. You may be either one, but these statements are in no way pro-Town. And on D1 we are going for the scummiest person, no?



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drealmer7: I figured it! He's a mentally handicapped multiple personality disordered pretty princess in training!
He's retarded after all. No scum then?



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RWarehall: For example, that wasn't the first time you had missed something in the thread and then wondered about something that has been stated. I forget exactly where, but a couple times I thought to myself, "You should already know the answer to that."
I'm gonna play devil's advocate here and say this is a bad example and it won't hold in court. Either dig that up or don't say it at all.
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agentcarr16: Ahhh...
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Crewdroog: for instance, HSL is on my radar b/c of digging around in other games for justifications for his vote on Ix (as posted a few up). that to me means he hadn't a leg to stand on but needed something to throw his vote that way. why did he feel the need to do this? scum to start the Ix train?
Noted.

Although it is not common for scum to actually start a train.
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dedoporno: That's great but what is the point in talking about it then? If you are not going to jump on that wagon at all why even bother mentioning it?
Well in general perhaps to tell people you don't like it and why.
I don't think if one doesn't want to join wagon he should just ignore it.
One may be convinced it will be mislynch (or their buddy lynch) so they will mention and talk about it to actively fight wagon they dislike. I see no harm in it.

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dedoporno: What I didn't like about that was the fact that you took the time to say that if you are joining Ix's wagon it will be oput of boredom, but that will make you look scummy. This sentence alone makes you look scummy.
This I agree.
Those that are really self-conscious about appearing scummy often have good reason to worry.

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dedoporno: Who joins wagons out of boredom?
Yog, perhaps. :-)
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Vitek: Well in general perhaps to tell people you don't like it and why.
I don't think if one doesn't want to join wagon he should just ignore it.
One may be convinced it will be mislynch (or their buddy lynch) so they will mention and talk about it to actively fight wagon they dislike. I see no harm in it.
I was talking about it in context of the second part.


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Vitek: Yog, perhaps. :-)
We are yet to observe his new and improved version's stance on this :)
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trentonlf: If we could actually change our avatars I would say you should [url=https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRP1uOAoEMsZvbjBVlt_5NVtUGX0K8S2kS1l7QQ0huOS2szAe3G]use this one [/url]:)
As of today, I'm actually seeing your updated avatars. Yogsloth (finally) lost his hardhat, there is a kitty for Trent, and Flub is using a card from the Star Trek ccg.

It has amused me that the hardhat variations from the "Website's Broke!" giveaway persisted even after the avatars were changed again; I had a delightful feeling of irony about it.
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Vitek: Wow, what a bad post, crewdroog.

I had you as tenative scum for a long time (since your "who has not posted yet" post) but this still surprised me.

About me: What changed since and [url=http://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_31_crisis_at_space_station_epsilon/post556]this? You seemed to have no issue before.

As for HSL; Just no. How are his accusations based on previous game? Look at his post, he clearly states what he disliked about Ix and then he likened it to play of mafia player in older game, but do you think it means he based the vote on previous game?


@Ix; Thanks for posting again; I almost forgot you when you were not posting but luckily you were kind enough to remember yourself by stating you should have pushed any wagon other than yours even if you don't find the person in question scummy to save yourself.
Well of course you do, I voted for you. and really? my post about asking who has not posted yet is what makes me scummy? Not my discussion with Ix? LOL. If you want to go after me, bring THAT up.

Just because I didn't spill everything I was thinking right then and there doesn't mean I didn't think you were acting scummy. And I asked Drealmer7 when he jumped on the VItek wagon b/c he gave no reasoning behind his vote when he posted. He has a lot to say, but nothing to say as I said before. I don't know if it's his way of throwing us off his scumminess or not.

And if you think I'm that scummy, then vote for me. Why do you not want to? Because I'm new? That's crap. If you really really think i'm scummy and you are town, the safety of the town comes first. always.

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flubbucket: Noted.

Although it is not common for scum to actually start a train.
but still not out of the question. And by starting train, i don't mean casting the first vote for person x, I mean getting the train actually moving. just felt the need to clarify.
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HijacK: --snip--
Pardon me for asking, but is this your most recent post?

(I think everyone else is up to date - do tell if there's anyone else I should start prodding) :P
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HijacK: --snip--
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QuadrAlien: Pardon me for asking, but is this your most recent post?

(I think everyone else is up to date - do tell if there's anyone else I should start prodding) :P
Funny. You actually posted this just as I finished catching up. I was always up to date, but as I said I'm busy as hell the first half of this week so not a whole lot of posting on my end. :P

Do we have a deadline yet? If we do I think I missed it. I don't recall reading it.

As I've stated before allow me until Wednesday's evening to post. I have an exam today and it's one of those social sciences where you have to read and write a lot.
I will see you all with something relevant in about 12 hours or so, though I gotta say it kinda sucks the fun out of it not being there in the moment of the argument.
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Crewdroog: Well of course you do, I voted for you.
You voted me week ago?

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Crewdroog: and really? my post about asking who has not posted yet is what makes me scummy?
Yes. I disliked the tone of it. You wanted to take a look at those who haven't posted few hours after game started.
I have seen such behaviour from mafia in the past.
You also tried to accuse trenton slightly there in the way I was not happy with.

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Crewdroog: Not my discussion with Ix? LOL. If you want to go after me, bring THAT up.
Why? Do you think it was scummy?

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Crewdroog: Just because I didn't spill everything I was thinking right then and there doesn't mean I didn't think you were acting scummy.
Well, it seems weird that you suddenly take issue with something that happened long ago, when you clearly noted it before and felt no need to address it.
Even more when what you are trying to attack is RVS vote.

On top of that you tried to insuniate I am going to vote agent with no indication from my side whatsoever and tried to use it against me.

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Crewdroog: And if you think I'm that scummy, then vote for me. Why do you not want to? Because I'm new? That's crap.
Because I had people higher than you. As I said in previous, I had you as tenative scum, not definitive.
Unfortunately I have only 1 vote.
Where do you get the idea it is beacuse you are new? Have I ever suggested something along that line?
Sure, if someone is new then it makes me more careful about voting them becuase they can just not know their way around instead of being really scummy, but if I am convinced they are mafia then I wouldn't care.


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Crewdroog: If you really really think i'm scummy and you are town, the safety of the town comes first. always.
Of course. Thanks for suggesting I am not caring about safety of town by adding this.
WARNING - MAY CONTAIN LARGE QUANTITIES OF SARCASM - HANDLE WITH CARE

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RWarehall: It says right in the Crisis Event what the consequences might be, up to death of a crew member. Frankly, I really don't need to see that to confirm it.
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JMich: No. I already know a possible failure outcome, and I wouldn't want to see it happen.
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dedoporno: I'm most honestly telling you that I would be perfectly happy if I don't find out more details than what I already read in #2 for the rest of the game.
Alright. I'm different. I see 'penalties' and I wonder how severe they are. Is it something like the posting restrictions from last game? Is it a loss of stats as has already happened? Is it a loss of role abilities? I want to know what the consequences might be. Information is Power.

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RWarehall: I just got done reading every post you made this game. While I don't find anything I'd call conclusive, I see a lot I don't like so much. For example, that wasn't the first time you had missed something in the thread and then wondered about something that has been stated. I forget exactly where, but a couple times I thought to myself, "You should already know the answer to that.":

I get the general feeling you aren't paying all that much attention to the thread. Traditionally, that's a potential scum tell, since "Town" will tend to pay more attention because they have to in order to figure out who is scum.
(emphasis added)
Where have I missed something? I feel like I've been paying a lot of attention to the game. And if you just finished reading my posts, why can't you remember where it happened?

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RWarehall: On top of that, you don't seem to be censoring yourself when it comes to discussing mechanics. You blurt out your ideas with no consideration of whether the topic of your discussion is more helpful to scum or town if revealed.
That in and of itself points toward me being Town. If I was scum, then I presumably wouldn't know the mechanics, so I couldn't talk about them. And if I did know the mechanics as Scum, then I'm not revealing much, am I?
If one talks about the mechanics and that talk might help scum, then that one is probably Town, no?
Oh, and about not censoring myself? You have no idea. You should see my notes.

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dedoporno: Who joins wagons out of boredom?
Krypsyn. Which probably means absolutely zilch...

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dedoporno: What I didn't like about that was the fact that you took the time to say that if you are joining Ix's wagon it will be oput of boredom, but that will make you look scummy. This sentence alone makes you look scummy.
So if I had jumped on Ix's wagon using Krypsyn's reasoning, what would have happened? We probably would have lynched Ix, and then when Day 2 rolled around, if he'd flipped Town, I'd be in a tight spot for my sloppy vote. I don't intend to be lynched for sloppy voting (which reminds me, unvote yogsloth), so I don't get on Ix's wagon out of boredom.
And I said as much.

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dedoporno: Who puts more weight on not looking scummy than on collaboration, questioning people, discussing and whatever else is important at the moment?
When exactly was I doing that? The non-act of not joining Ix's wagon discourages collaboration, questioning, and discussion? I don't see it like that.


Alright. Meta meets Anti-meta in the Large Mafia Collider...

...Creating rational thought, hopefully.


I'm Roger Morgan, Station Head of Computing. My alignment is Station Crew (Town)

STR 1
FIN 6
INT 9

Oh, and by the way, I'm your Tracker.


So, since I was stat fishing, it's pretty obvious that my stats are way off what should be expected from a Townie. Go ahead, lynch me because I have a totally different range of stats. I guess that Vitek was right about his 17 FIN. I shouldn't have doubted him.
Maybe I should have claimed STR 15, FIN 18, INT 25. Would that have been about right?
Go ahead and lynch stupid, clumsy, weakling agentcarr16...


Now, let's look at some options for the rest of the poor, misinformed, witch-hunting Town.

1. You lynch me.
Well, you think that your chances of hitting scum are rather better than 25%, since I'm so scummy. I have rather more information and I know that your chances of hitting scum are actually a big fat 0%.
If you lynch me, you'll get immediate gratification (information) on my Town alignment, as well as the satisfaction of having lynched a Town power role on Day 1. Then during Night 1, you'll lose another Townie. Great start, Town.

2. You don't lynch me.
Well, if I'm nightkilled, then you'll still have confirmation of my Town alignment, but you are in a slightly better place, since you presumably lynched someone who was scummy or lurking.
If I'm not nightkilled, then at least on Day 2 I'll have some pertinent information for you before you mislynch me.


And my role is confirmable, if Town really wanted to. An alignment cop or a role cop would confirm it, and it'd be a good use of their power as I'm a power role myself.
Or you could tell me to track someone; then that someone and I could confirm each other.
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Crewdroog: Well of course you do, I voted for you.
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Vitek: You voted me week ago?

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Crewdroog: and really? my post about asking who has not posted yet is what makes me scummy?
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Vitek: Yes. I disliked the tone of it. You wanted to take a look at those who haven't posted few hours after game started.
I have seen such behaviour from mafia in the past.
You also tried to accuse trenton slightly there in the way I was not happy with.

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Crewdroog: Not my discussion with Ix? LOL. If you want to go after me, bring THAT up.
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Vitek: Why? Do you think it was scummy?

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Crewdroog: Just because I didn't spill everything I was thinking right then and there doesn't mean I didn't think you were acting scummy.
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Vitek: Well, it seems weird that you suddenly take issue with something that happened long ago, when you clearly noted it before and felt no need to address it.
Even more when what you are trying to attack is RVS vote.

On top of that you tried to insuniate I am going to vote agent with no indication from my side whatsoever and tried to use it against me.

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Crewdroog: And if you think I'm that scummy, then vote for me. Why do you not want to? Because I'm new? That's crap.
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Vitek: Because I had people higher than you. As I said in previous, I had you as tenative scum, not definitive.
Unfortunately I have only 1 vote.
Where do you get the idea it is beacuse you are new? Have I ever suggested something along that line?
Sure, if someone is new then it makes me more careful about voting them becuase they can just not know their way around instead of being really scummy, but if I am convinced they are mafia then I wouldn't care.

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Crewdroog: If you really really think i'm scummy and you are town, the safety of the town comes first. always.
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Vitek: Of course. Thanks for suggesting I am not caring about safety of town by adding this.
obviously i pushed some button of yours. hmm, which ones?

and you are again quoting behavior of previous mafia. lol

I do regret my outburst, yes. it was very reactionary. and i say again, of all things i've written, you post the one thing that can totally be blown off as newb mistake as the one that got you going. i find it funny.

and I take issue with it now b/c i have not been able to keep an eye on the thread as well as i've liked b/c of life crap. Also, why can't i go back and re-re-read things and make new decisions? is this not allowed? can we only make inferences off things as soon as they are posted and not later? As I said before, I take voting a lynch very seriously b/c I don't want to kill a fellow town member and give the mafia +2 kills right off the bat. But, since you have a problem with me taking my time and thinking, you must enjoy the more reactionary style of killing people, which to me seems scummy, b/c you know who you can't kill and who you can.
and yes I did imply that you would vote for agent, b/c that's what you've done with your last two votes, you jump on wagons.

Oh no, it's not just you that I am calling out on that. A few people have stated they wouldn't vote for certain people b/c they are new.
What.
The.
Fuck.
Are.
You.
Doing.
Man?
For now I am going to
Unvote agentcarr16

@agent, who do suspect most and why?
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Vitek: What.
The.
Fuck.
Are.
You.
Doing.
Man?
At this point? I'm just having fun.
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trentonlf: For now I am going to
Unvote agentcarr16

@agent, who do suspect most and why?
That's hard to say. I suspect different people for different things.
I do suspect yogsloth for his meta change, but I don't really think It's enough that I want him lynched. That's why I unvoted him.
I suspect RWarehall, as his vote for me seems the least well reasoned.
I suspect HSL, but it's just a gut feeling at present.
Post edited October 14, 2015 by agentcarr16
Oops.
I'm on my phone and I forgot about the timer.

I didn't edit anything, it should just have been two separate posts. Sorry!