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Trent or flubb

I could vote for either one. The recent arguments for Trent make a lot of sense. His claim and the restriction just don't seem to gel with everything else. As already mentioned, his lynch will also confirm if there's a restrictor. If I'm wrong, I think we gain more useful information from the mis-lynch.

vote trentonlf

In 3-4 hours, I'll change to flubb if needed. If flubb is indeed a jailor, it might explain what happened to yogs N1. Whether flubb is town or scum, I could see him blocking yogs N1.
Caught up with reading as fast as I could before the deadline (will definitely need to do a rereading because I am uncertain whether I properly understood all of your points) . I've been suspicious of trent because of the money stealing "twist", which in time made sense because in itself is not a restriction but a tell he's scum, or at least this is the way I see it, and if mchack or me tried to remove it I don't think it would disappear for that reason, hence why it's a "twist."

Regardless, what solidified his scumminess to me was the bias he was using to justify a vote and then the totally ambivalent explanation that could be attributed to both the cases in question (sage being busy and BM being in a desperate situation).

Now that may not paint him as scum, but it reinforces my suspicions of him. I call it bad play. Cast a vote. Call it prod (As if prod votes actually mean anything). Appear like you're contributing. If the vote sticks and a wagon forms = $$$$$ mulah!

Sounds fishy to me, and fishy enough to vote. The only thing I'm waiting for is another vote because I want to hammer. Come on people!

I wanted to hammer Krypsyn as well.... but I was ninja'd.... Ridiculous gibberish!

Oh, and I would like to thank and congratulate the players this game for showing an amazing amount of contribution and analysis. Unfortunately my time isn't as free as it used to be, thus I am unable to keep up with this pace.
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HypersomniacLive: Could it be that all scum have the ability to steal our buy-ins? If yes, why did they not take agentcarr16's money on N1?
That's what I was thinking today. We know that CSPVG could do it. It probably brought him some additional information or other negative effect for the robbed player, but so far only him and Trent seem to have something to do with stealing money. The other thing that has bugged me from the day Trent claimed is that he wasn't initially restricted per se. I know I could use my powers to no result, Yog also said he wasn't able to investigate so assume he was gimped in a similar way. Back then JMich or someone else asked me why I believe the roles are unable to perform at all and I backed off not only because I realized that I was actually able to act, just not get results, but also because I didn't want to provide information about my role too early. Anyway, I find the difference in Trent's role weird enough.



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HypersomniacLive: The only reason I can think of for scum-trentonlf jumping to flubbucket's rescue, if he's town, is to gain town points, especially in the case of flubbucket's lynch, which would not be hard to achieve given flubbucket's attitude.
That looks like the most plausible explanation in case he is indeed scum and flub is Town. Flub wasn't doing himself any favors and was a pretty viable lynch-target, so vouching for him, especially when your buddies are scum-dropping like flies could by you some more time.

I'm willing to switch. In any case some usable information will be acquired by this.



unvote flub

vote trent
Vote trentonlf
To start off, I am Harry (Neutral pickpocket) other than my name the only thing I have lied about is the money and what happened when I visited adaliabooks. I choose whether or not I want to take the person's money I am investigating, if I am able to get enough money for my wife's operation I am able to leave the island and win. I really am a Flavor/Role Cop with an added twist, it goes with the pickpocketing. I have the option to take nothing and just look and the person will not know I was there or I can take the money and stuff but then they know someone visited them. So far the only person's money I have taken is Flub's, I honestly have no idea who took the money from yogs. Since I highly doubt I will get unrestricted now (yes I am honestly restricted now and was not at the start) I will go ahead and lay out what happened.

Yogs broke the game from the start. Revealing the twist of the restriction on roles by claiming out of the gate, and the only people who would know why he did such a thing were ones who had a restriction and could see the reason behind it. People who had no idea about the restriction are now prime suspects because of this, fun times thanks yogs. Since I was in the "didn't get it" crowd I had to find a way to appear town so I could continue to steal and win. I decided whoever I investigated night one I would reveal it so I could gain town points. I was honestly unsure about flub as his actions up to that point were not overly townie and he seemed to have been in the "didn't get it" club too. I was surprised when I found the two DVDs that I did, and yes they are what I found. The DVDs tied in with his avatar lead me to believe he was an inept deputy of some sort, and my guess is once his restriction is removed the ineptness is gone. So once votes started on flub I decided it was time to reveal my flavor/role cop part of my role. I still needed a way when I did investigate people to be able to take the money and it be ok. So that's when I came up with the idea of the pass/fail on the money. Looking back I should have just kept my mouth shut and let things play, but since I was in the "didn't get it' club I knew my time was short and I had to do something.

So night two started and I chose adaliabooks as he was another person that was in the "didn't get it" club. I show up at his place and see that the room was gutted, pipes coming out of the walls, jagged holes everywhere, wires coming out of the ceiling in the form of a noose. The two items I found were construction tape and a bloody hard hat. Once I saw all this I became Harry (Neutral Fearful Pickpocket). Since I was now restricted outing adaliabooks was something I was unsure if I should do or not. I wanted to get unrestricted again so I could continue to get money, but I also need the game to go for at least another 4 nights to get enough money. If I outed adaliabooks scum are either done if he is the last or probably only one other left and that would mean I would not have enough nights to get the amount of money I need.

Being totally honest here. Lynching Flub is a mistake. Lynch me if you want, I will flip as Harry (Neutral Pickpocket). You should be lynching adaliabooks.

Also, on a side note my vote on BlueMooner that Hijack and Hyper are picking apart is nothing more than what I said it was, a prod vote to get his attention. So please stop trying to make it into something ugly.

Unvote BlueMooner
Vote adaliabooks
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trentonlf: So night two started and I chose adaliabooks as he was another person that was in the "didn't get it" club. I show up at his place and see that the room was gutted, pipes coming out of the walls, jagged holes everywhere, wires coming out of the ceiling in the form of a noose. The two items I found were construction tape and a bloody hard hat. Once I saw all this I became Harry (Neutral Fearful Pickpocket). Since I was now restricted outing adaliabooks was something I was unsure if I should do or not. I wanted to get unrestricted again so I could continue to get money, but I also need the game to go for at least another 4 nights to get enough money. If I outed adaliabooks scum are either done if he is the last or probably only one other left and that would mean I would not have enough nights to get the amount of money I need.
Wow.
Nice lie... not entirely sure what it's supposed to mean, but a real role cop would find it has absolutely nothing to do with my role...
But more on that tomorrow as I think (assuming HijacK's count was correct) you are indeed lynched.
Glad we did choose you, as you're either neutral as you claim, or straight up lying scum....
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adaliabooks: Wow.
Nice lie... not entirely sure what it's supposed to mean, but a real role cop would find it has absolutely nothing to do with my role...
But more on that tomorrow as I think (assuming HijacK's count was correct) you are indeed lynched.
Glad we did choose you, as you're either neutral as you claim, or straight up lying scum....
Wiggle all you want. I'm lynched now, so I posted too late it seems. But, It's not a lie at all. Hopefully someone is unrestricted that can check you out somehow and you can be lynched tomorrow.
God damn it... if only I'd known sooner... we had a neutral hanging about who could have given me all I needed...

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trentonlf: Yogs broke the game from the start.
Your right of course, it was effectively a mass claim day 1, but there is still a way to turn it around...
trent, I don't suppose you'd like to claim lynchproof and bulletproof before you die? And governor too actually.. maybe then you can win as well...
Pretty please? For me?
:D
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adaliabooks: God damn it... if only I'd known sooner... we had a neutral hanging about who could have given me all I needed...

Your right of course, it was effectively a mass claim day 1, but there is still a way to turn it around...
trent, I don't suppose you'd like to claim lynchproof and bulletproof before you die? And governor too actually.. maybe then you can win as well...
Pretty please? For me?
:D
Governor? Is that somehow tied to your role? Whatever you are I hope to see you in the dead thread tomorrow.

On another note this is why I hate playing games where PM discussion or role discussion is part of it, the games sucks ass. It's no fault of the mod but of players who care more about winning than they do actually playing the game.
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adaliabooks: God damn it... if only I'd known sooner... we had a neutral hanging about who could have given me all I needed...

Your right of course, it was effectively a mass claim day 1, but there is still a way to turn it around...
trent, I don't suppose you'd like to claim lynchproof and bulletproof before you die? And governor too actually.. maybe then you can win as well...
Pretty please? For me?
:D
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trentonlf: Governor? Is that somehow tied to your role? Whatever you are I hope to see you in the dead thread tomorrow.

On another note this is why I hate playing games where PM discussion or role discussion is part of it, the games sucks ass. It's no fault of the mod but of players who care more about winning than they do actually playing the game.
Kind of. If you claim lynchproof bulletproof governor I can stop your lynch. But you need to do it now...
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adaliabooks: Kind of. If you claim lynchproof bulletproof governor I can stop your lynch. But you need to do it now...
I can not claim any of that, I am Harry Neutral Pickpocket
I just finished a 16 hour day and my job just checked me into the most lice ridden, feculent, hourly rate hotel in Texas.

I'm going to go take a shower in the toilet and then I'll be back to read.
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adaliabooks: Kind of. If you claim lynchproof bulletproof governor I can stop your lynch. But you need to do it now...
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trentonlf: I can not claim any of that, I am Harry Neutral Pickpocket
It doesn't have to be true... you just need to claim it.
And then I can steal the role, be invincible and stop your lynch.
How's that for breaking the game?
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adaliabooks: It doesn't have to be true... you just need to claim it.
And then I can steal the role, be invincible and stop your lynch.
How's that for breaking the game?
Ok, I claim lynchproof bulettproof governor
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adaliabooks: It doesn't have to be true... you just need to claim it.
And then I can steal the role, be invincible and stop your lynch.
How's that for breaking the game?
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trentonlf: Ok, I claim lynchproof bulettproof governor
Oh thank you trent :)

Right RWarehall, whenever you log on... I want that one.
It's a proper claim and all this time, unlike yogs', so I don't see that you can complain...
And then I'd like to stop trent's lynch, seeing as he was so kind to provide me with the claim.
And well... god knows what happens then.