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rjbuffchix: You're not the only one. Summer is hell. I have health problems where heat and humidity aggravate them (also aggravating is how nearly everyone around me insists the weather is so "nice"). Winter is pure bliss. I wish it was winter year-round.
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tinyE: can I ask where in the states you live? I don't need an address :P just a region.
Yes, you can ask.

:p

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DubConqueror: I always wonder why weathermen predict 'good weather' when 30+ Celsius is predicted. Anything 30+ Celsius is awful weather in my book and sends my mood plummeting down (if there's anything seasonal about my depressions, I have summer depression instead of winter depression). Mentally I feel at my best in winter. I wonder if it has anything with me being born in the middle of winter.
Good question. I guess the majority consider it "good" to be sweating and needing 2 showers a day, so the weathermen will say it is "good weather" out on those days. I would be happy if every day was 30 degree-weather...Fahrenheit!
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adaliabooks: I found one! ;)
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SirPrimalform: I knew they wouldn't let me down. :P
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adaliabooks: Assuming Britain even does it, I honestly wouldn't be surprised given current predilections if they did the opposite of the EU out of spite...
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SirPrimalform: This, unfortunately.
Have a cookie.

Pity that after WW2 and fighting for our freedoms you all seem to want to be controlled by a Foreign power again.
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Socratatus: Pity that after WW2 and fighting for our freedoms you all seem to want to be controlled by a Foreign power again.
Pity that after WW2 you have no idea that preventing it from ever happening again was why the EU was actually formed.

Anyway, most of the UK has been controlled by a foreign power for centuries... what difference does it make which one it is?
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Socratatus: Have a cookie.

Pity that after WW2 and fighting for our freedoms you all seem to want to be controlled by a Foreign power again.
Something something sovereignty blah blah taking back control.
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Socratatus: Pity that after WW2 and fighting for our freedoms you all seem to want to be controlled by a Foreign power again.
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adaliabooks: Pity that after WW2 you have no idea that preventing it from ever happening again was why the EU was actually formed.
Wait. so you`re saying that we must allow another huge foreign allied powerblock similar to what we had just before WW1 will prevent further wars? Except this time, this powerblock has even MORE control over what other countries can do? And why is this EU any better? Are they a superior form of Humans that won`t one day seek power, so much power then rule unjustly with that power? You are happy to hand over your country because you just trust the EU will be fine?

Has it even occured to you what might happen if one day the EU creates Laws that directly affect you in a very bad way and you`ll have no say at all? Have you?

Are you insane?
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adaliabooks: Anyway, most of the UK has been controlled by a foreign power for centuries... what difference does it make which one it is?
This makes no sense at all. You have literally just said, we`ve been ruled in the past so we might as well just be ruled by foreign powers again. We might as well have never fought for our freedoms in WW2. You are literally asking to be ruled and occupied by a foreign organisation, just because `EU`. Just because the negative consequences hasnt smacked you in the face yet, doesn`t mean it`s not building up to.

Go away and rethink everything you just wrote.
Post edited September 02, 2018 by Socratatus
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timppu: I didn't see anyone posting about this yet, so...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/31/eu-recommend-member-states-abolish-daylight-saving-time

Wow, about the damn time, if this will come true eventually Routinely changing clocks twice a year is just stupid.
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Isn't it the case that they have much more important problems to solve (like illigal imigration)? It seems that EU burocrats prefer to "solve" imaginary problems rather than the real ones.
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Socratatus: Wait. so you`re saying that we must allow another huge foreign allied powerblock similar to what we had just before WW1 will prevent further wars? Except this time, this powerblock has even MORE control over what other countries can do? And why is this EU any better? Are they a superior form of Humans that won`t one day seek power, so much power then rule unjustly with that power? You are happy to hand over your country because you just trust the EU will be fine?
I'm not even going to attempt to answer this nonsensical drivel... the EU doesn't rule anyone, it's a combined entity and it's rules and laws are voted on by all it's members. It's not perfect, of course it's not, but it provides a myriad of huge advantages to it's members and has been fairly successful in preventing mass war in Europe (which had been a pretty staple part of European history)

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Socratatus: Has it even occured to you what might happen if one day the EU creates Laws that directly affect you in a very bad way and you`ll have no say at all? Have you?
You mean like the UK government does all the time? Where do I sign to remove myself from their jurisdiction?

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Socratatus: This makes no sense at all. You have literally just said, we`ve been ruled in the past so we might as well just be ruled by foreign powers again. We might as well have never fought for our freedoms in WW2. You are literally asking to be ruled and occupied by a foreign organisation, just because `EU`. Just because the negative consequences hasnt smacked you in the face yet, doesn`t mean it`s not building up to.

Go away and rethink everything you just wrote.
No, I said we are still being ruled. Despite what anyone may claim the UK is very much the English government. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have always had little choice in the matter. They are currently ruled by a foreign power in far more real ways then the EU 'rules' them.
It's funny how the anti Scottish independence campaign slogan was "Better together" but those same people turn around and say we needed to leave the EU. Why are Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland better together with England, but the UK isn't better together with the rest of Europe?

I think you could try taking your own advice.
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DrakoPensulo: Isn't it the case that they have much more important problems to solve (like illigal imigration)? It seems that EU burocrats prefer to "solve" imaginary problems rather than the real ones.
So are you saying that until illegal immigration is "solved" (not sure how you even define it being solved), no other issues should be solved, right?

I am quite critical about EU, but I have to hand it to them, they can multitask. So yes, EU can try to "solve" both the DTS and the illegal immigration and the trade negotiations with Trump and and and at the same time. No need to solve them only one at a time, blocking all the other issues.
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Tallima: What if we had one time? What of 6am was 6am everywhere?
We already have it, it's called UTC.

There are only two time definitions which make sense, UTC and local time (where the sun is at it's highest point at 12). Shifting the time definition to have more or less daylight "after work" is nonsense as everyone has different preferences. Better adjust the individual (work) times instead.
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adaliabooks: Assuming Britain even does it, I honestly wouldn't be surprised given current predilections if they did the opposite of the EU out of spite...
In this instance wouldn it mean they add one more time? :-)
One that would be 2 hours ahead of winter time and 23 minutes and 17 seconds behind summer one?
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adaliabooks: the EU doesn't rule anyone... snip
I could not include your whole quote because the forum won`t let me post otherwise, don`t know why, so I have simply added my responses.

1.The EU set the rules for you. You have no say in the matter; How is that not being ruled over?

2.We can VOTE the government powers of our own country in or out. We can`t vote the EU in or out.

Further to that, the UK government will have more of an invested interest in its own people, while the EU will have its interests spread all over the place on a good day, and on most days on just those countries it favours- That is not a good thing. THINK.

3.See what I wrote above. Would you rather foreign powers 600 miles away decide your fate rather than your own British government that`s local to you and understands you better and which you can VOTE out or protest any time they start to go against you or harm you? You can protest at 10 Downing street a lot easier than you can protest at Brussels EU HQ!

I say again, stop being blindly stubborn and rethink.
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Tallima: What if we had one time? What of 6am was 6am everywhere?
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eiii: We already have it, it's called UTC.

There are only two time definitions which make sense, UTC and local time (where the sun is at it's highest point at 12). Shifting the time definition to have more or less daylight "after work" is nonsense as everyone has different preferences. Better adjust the individual (work) times instead.
100% agree. I don't think we have to use utc if folks want to be non-euroctric. If it takes China's vote to go china-time, I'm all for it.

When I was having a lot of multinational meetings, I knew what UTC time it was at all times. But it was still difficult bc nobody else knew what time it was. Timeanddate.com became my friend.
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eiii: We already have it, it's called UTC.

There are only two time definitions which make sense, UTC and local time (where the sun is at it's highest point at 12). Shifting the time definition to have more or less daylight "after work" is nonsense as everyone has different preferences. Better adjust the individual (work) times instead.
Try convincing people to show up at work at sunrise (6 am).

I for myself am glad if this daylight saving nonsense ends. Also clocks are a convention. So if the sun at it's highest point will be at 13:00 instead of 12, I have no problem with that.
Post edited September 03, 2018 by blotunga
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eiii: We already have it, it's called UTC.

There are only two time definitions which make sense, UTC and local time (where the sun is at it's highest point at 12). Shifting the time definition to have more or less daylight "after work" is nonsense as everyone has different preferences. Better adjust the individual (work) times instead.
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blotunga: Try convincing people to show up at work at sunrise (6 am).
What's wrong with that. I'm at work every morning at 6 am. Of course, I don't have to drive there. :D
I'm going to post my comments about the EU, broken up into various issues.

I oppose the EU for various reasons such as: 1.Accountability. 2.Austerity(see this flowing into reason 1). 3.Sovereignty.

When I say accountability correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the EU Parliament entirely un-elected but appointed instead? As far as I know your elected officials in each country appoint your EU representative so you have an UN-elected technocrat representing you in the highest law in the land.

In terms of austerity we need ONLY look at Greece and how much of a mess that has been. Goldman Sachs was the one who made the loan to Greece to look solvent so they could get into the EU. The EU didn't even bother to really look further when admitting them getting deeper into the paper. Goldman Sachs expected this flub so much they made money both ways, shorting on Greece's debt as well. Does the EU try to help Greece by generating easier bailout terms along with trying to work with Greece to figure out ways to expand their economy beyond relying on tourism?! NO, they give them Draconian bailout terms, severely cutting pension plans with the rich Greeks not paying their fair share and SEIZING some Greek owned islands and privatizing(what countries nonsense does this sound like...coughUScough) them to pay off the debt. I think I even heard about artwork in museums being sold off, likely making it into the hands of some rich art collector.

Last but not least Sovereignty. When the laws that ultimately effect you are the EU's how is this ANY different than the US? Except in this case your representatives are appointed and some countries like Iceland have no form of formal redress when it comes to EU issues. You have your own currency like the US and your own constitution as well as courts. This is why I find it a joke when Scotland talks about wanting to be independent from the UK but they want to be part of the EU without even their own currency to have control over their monetary system(the same holds for Catalonia and likely Basque region of Spain).
What the EU should've been bar none was a bare bones system with a set of strict labor standards that matched the highest one. The condition of this would be ALL trade across Europe would have to match these standards. The effect seen would be twofold...First, this would serve as a buffer to keep very cheap imports from flooding into Western Europe via the Eastern Baltic states. Secondly some of said aforementioned exports would still come but the Western Europe product would be able to compete reasonably and better labor safety standards would start to exist in Eastern Europe.
Oh and that second part of the EU system would echo the labor system except on environmental standards but in this case Germany and others would be required to send aid(labor and teachers especially) to help bring Eastern Europe up to par.

A last note, just to point out something interesting...the crown jewel of the EU, the ECB, wasn't even made by Union labor DESPITE promises proving just what frauds some of these European bureaucrats are.