and are copyright laws...well... laws?

As the name implies, probably.

But i'm not sure i see how that matters. There are laws on the books in New York for example making it impossible to own firearms, while the constitution says your rights shall not be infringed, blatantly making such laws unlawful and when challenged in the supreme court they get struck down.

It then turns to constitutional rights vs laws, and the constitution is what i'd prefer to follow over innumerable laws.

There are enough laws that you can probably fill a semi-truck and still have more. That is impossible to know and follow them.

Then you have the government who just handwaves it away, like the patriot act where they can arrest and detain you for an unlimited amount of time without trial or jury. Or with Snowden that shows the mass surveillance going on in the country without warrent as they just scoop up data under systems like PRISM.

Then you have things like Civil Forfeiture where in locations they can confiscate your belongings without trial, putting your 'possessions' under trial for things that are blatantly stupid and silly.

If you are to have laws, you should have a handful like the 10 commandments, enough to be able to memorize and follow innately. Or something small like a 200 page book that gives you all the laws/rules you need to follow.

Then you have congress who no longer handle making and passing laws federally; instead passing it off to some external agency or group. I hardly consider those proper as they haven't gone through the proper system. (Though i'm sure state laws continue to be done mostly correctly.)

Saying something is 'law' to me has about as much value as the currency, which at this point is something like 1/500th the value it used to be, and if it goes much further it will be more useful as toilet paper than legal tender.

that was a yes or no question. are copyright laws laws?

He knows that very well, but he's pulling out every argument to make them look like lesser laws.

Even the constitudion ... omg ...
There were plenty of people who went to court against these laws. If the constitution really DID speak against them, they would have been long gone.
I am quite sure there is no passage in the US constitution that allows distributing intellectual property without the permission of the copyright holder. If may or may not say that anyone has the right to read something, but it does not say anything about the means to get the reading materials. It does not go into these details.

And what some people tend to forget is that these laws are also based on treaties respected by countries around the world, the US constitution is not. Intellectual property goes far beyond a holy piece of paper in a museum.
True anarchists who say that the laws are for naught should not try to quote the constitution anyway.

my sovcit alarms are starting to go off here... i should not have been suprised.

No, it's at this point there are too many laws that you can't keep track of them, so you can't even follow them all correctly. By LAW it is still legal to hang a cheating wife in Texas. But it's not been done in over a hundred years.

And no, doesn't have to do with greater or lesser laws, it's i really don't care anymore.
I instinctively and follow the laws that are a handful that apply to me. I follow traffic laws, and i pay for stuff i receive as services and goods... And that's about it. I don't have to quote a hundred different statues to say that i broke a law because i used a toothpick to make sandwiches, and this sandwich doesn't qualify because it doesn't have a sufficient amount of yeast in it or that i used potato as filler rather than whole wheat. I really really don't fucking care.

If it's mine, i get to do what i want with it. And i'll use, play, modify, flash and do as i see fit. I don't care what the EULA or TOS are.

Probably.
But Laws vs Constitution i was referring to guns and very restrictive laws. Constitution is suppose to be the foundation and trumps any laws they try to hamper it with.

Regardless, copyright is far too long. If you changed it to something like 5 years with royalties for broadcasting lasting 50 years, things would likely go relatively the same as they are now..... Hmmm maybe a little worse, because the writers/authors/directors of old who were actually good at making movies are out leaving piss-poor imitations. But otherwise relatively the same.

edit: Guess i'll use my favorite line IRL. Nothing makes sense to me anymore.

Finally you got it right. So stop pulling these nonsense arguments out of your hat and do what you do.

No one will judge you for breaking the law by obtaining and playing illegally an old game.

Maybe. Thinking about it, laws are applied and added, but they don't break human nature, and human nature will act regardless of how many laws you throw on top of it. Content is more akin to cooking recipes, you copy trade and use. You don't care about who made it first. And they don't care either.

I think, I just wish the world made sense.