If I would meet you physically in person and you would say this in my face I would
very aggressively exhale into your face for you to
take these words back. With all due respect, DAR*A might have created their sh*tty military network. But globabal network wasn't created by them.
Big chunk of what we use now in global network is thanks to CERN.
exorio: Who knows who sent them the messages, but most likely those messages come from gamers, or at least people who followed the game news rigorously or even perhaps those who found the easter egg, not some stock traders in wall street.
Wall street is a specific place in US, not a chinese location.
Nobody was bringing US stock traders into the conversation. This is in no way related to what we're talking about here.
exorio: GOG have all the rights to refuse to list the game. It is their store and they can choose what they sell there
GOG is a publicly listed company that claims to be operating within laws and legal business practises - that obligates them to state a LEGALLY VALID reason to overturn already signed contract for a distribution of a game.
If they use some petty excuse without providing a solid proof then they can be held legally responsible for it by contract related developer / publisher.
In this case there are very real concerns over validity of official rhetoric GOG has taken.
Even if said rhetoric would be real it's still BS. GOG has reduced capability for individuals from various countries to buy specific products based on backslash, censorship laws, age rating board block and whatnot without removing said games from distribution worldwide.
GOG has all technical and practical measures in place to restrict a distribution of a product in only a selection of countries.
exorio: why not make a whole game entirely based on that topic?
And just
WHY should anybody limit themselves either to 0 (NOTHING) or 1 (EVERYTHING) approach?
Free speech is also about freedom of choice of how much you express.
exorio: Why hid it in easter egg within a media that have a very irrelevant topic?
Afaik the game involves quite some China-related themes. So I personally don't see how this is "media with irrelevant topic".
exorio: That's what I call hipocricy.
The... WHAT...
Seriously, maybe I'm alone here, but I usually do fundamentally spellcheck my posts before posting them.
exorio: You want to live in the edge, taking unnecessary risks in everything you do, go ahead, do it.
So then it would be the best approach to not say anything anywhere to reduce a chance of offending SOMEBODY somewhere?
It's a huge hypocriSy to suggest that people should "NOT take risks" - just WHY - seriously, if people would not be "taking unneccesary risks" this world would look differently, there would likely not be LCD screens, broadly available internet, and other things.
exorio: Also answering some questions on previous posts, yes I know how these submission works.
Since you seem to cannot be bothered I will quote thy self myself:
exorio: most likely they're not telling everything up front before submitting their game to GOG. So yeah, I blame the devs
B1tF1ghter: Lol. DO YOU EVEN KNOW how game submission process looks like?
exorio: Believe me, it's not that tight. How do you think Arkham Knight can get into Steam in such a buggy mess of state? And how about Cyberpunk on Playstation store? Even Nintendo is really loose nowadays.
You are actively confusing CONTENT verification with PERFORMANCE and OPTIMISATION verification.
Publisher / platform isn't obligated to, and in fact CANNOT perfectly test the latter two.
Care to share battlelog stats link?
Just curious...
exorio: You're missing the most important point : GOG are not obliged to list the game in any way
No, YOU are missing the most important point:
You cannot put up a publicly facing product page in store without having a contract already signed for distribution with developer.
GOG withheld already signed contract, and gave a very highly questionable reasoning.
They should be held LEGALLY for that.
exorio: From what I see on the screenshots, the easter egg asset was quite well done, seems finished and it was consistent with the rest of art direction. But ok.
Do you see a problem with a possibility of dev taking their sweet time with their precious little hidden easter egg?
In fact the more someone is dedicated to the craft the bigger the possibilty such easter egg would be of really high quality, possibly quite a piece of work, a work of art perhaps.
ShadowXOR: it seems like there's no other storefronts that don't bend to China so what are we supposed to do? It seems like unless we quite gaming altogether we don't have any options. :(
Perhaps Playism. It has Detention up there, giving BOTH DRM-free AND Steam key upon purchase, and there's a disclaimer saying:
"
For users residing in China, the Steam key is not usable. In such case, please contact us at (
I censored email for the purpose of reducing spam here ) and we will solve the issue for you.
"
They aren't even remotely the same.
Which doesn't mean either of them is a definition of "good".
Incorrect. My PSU is a very rare hard to get model made in Taiwan from Japanese electronic components. Deal with it :P
" Excuse me, what the F. " memes intensify.
They never had it ACTUALLY in the first place. Lol.
This is the same level of analogy with "Nothing will change for anyone outside of US if CCCP rules the rest of the world outside of US" (notice the C's, I don't mean China here). Lol xD
exorio: So what happen with the "heavily cencored internet" in china then?
Didn't the game offended the chinese goverment? How is it able to have such overwhelmingly positive review everywhere from actual Chinese gamers?
VPN
exorio: Wouldn't that make it a possibility that the message GOG receive come from actual chinese gamer too?
If allegedly "chinese gamers" have issue with the game in question they should demand removal of it's distribution in China.
They have no legal, moral or any other right to demand it's removal INTERNATIONALLY.
exorio: You sure each and every person from that 1,4 bn in china knows how to use proxy server?
You have 2 options there:
abide to indoctrination and "ignore the riches of the free internet".
Or use a VPN. It's necessity if you want to enjoy more free part of the world.
And necessity is a pretty darn effective motivator. So a major amount of people do know.
exorio: people in china can't use twitter
VPN
exorio: How is it not possible that the message was come from chinese gamers?
It is possible. But it's probability is ludicrously low.
exorio: Have you even read any digital distribution/platform agreement lately, or even sell any digital items on digital distribution platforms? No? So yeah, that's that.
Actually, yes, I did. Your point?
Stop assuming people do just as you think they do.
exorio: Even hollywood movies now prefer to kiss China's bottom.
Here it is again, "majority does that so it must be ok". Dude. Just stop.
exorio: I don't understand how things work in china because I DON'T LIVE THERE. And I don't think you live there too. How is it that when you don't experience things there you know everything about them? You don't. You make assumptions.
"X:Hey I wonder what they eat in France.
Z:I don't know. 'I don't live there'.
Q:Here have internet.
X+Z:Gah! What is this abomination?! TAKE IT AWAY!
Q:Have some history books and testimonies
X+Z:BURN 'EM ALL."
Lol. Haha. Dude. Some of your arguments have such meme potential I just couldn't resist :P
exorio: You do realize that steam have region lock right?
You do realize GOG has it too?
So what's the problem with blocking Devotion distribution JUST in China where allegeldy "gamers" got offended by it to the point of demanding blocking it's distribution?
CYRU5: How sad is seeing that athough 8 days have passed, thousands of users raising their voices if favor of non censorship pratices, hundreds of vids on YT and countless forum topics GOG hasn't even said "WE WON'T HEAR YOU" on twitter or in here ... this is really sad, they're indeed letting this happen for everyone to forget how far they are of what once they claimed to be.
SumofOne: I like how they used "hearing the gamers" as an excuse to cancel the game but now that more than 8000 people voted for the game to be hosted and so many calling them out for some reason they just can't hear the gamers anymore.
Ladies and gentlemen, right here right now, I'm saying it: GOG is biased AF, in fact so much that typical satire wouldn't describe it well enough.